# have areally interesting Q about rakeback

• Bronze
Joined: 24.06.2009
I tought about it right now - on the profit of the poker site from rake.
I will give you an example:

let take a 9 handed table of a cash game stakes 0.5\$/1\$
let say they are in that table, 4 plyrs who got a rakeback
deal - from this site maiby or others.
So ( take full tilt deal of 27% rakeback)
all the 4 rakeback players get rakeback if they post blinds regardless if they play the pot or not.
So that 4 get together 27%*4= 108% rackback
that is meen that full tilt actualy lose 8% money for that table rake hand after hand???
If so - so what if they are 8rakebackers the site is losing big money??
WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT IT??
P.s sorry for my english - its a 2nd lang of mine...
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• Bronze
Joined: 08.03.2009
Hi,

Hmm, funny question

Is this true: "all the 4 rakeback players get rakeback if they post blinds regardless if they play the pot or not." ???

and "if they post blinds " => means you are in SB or BB ???
• Bronze
Joined: 19.07.2009
lol... its 27% rakeback for that 1 PLAYER so lets say 10 players... 0.50\$/1\$
all 10 players are taking rakeback...
pot is 100\$(everyplayer gave same amount) and rake is 5% = 5\$...
so 5\$/10 = 0.50\$ for each player as RAKE for that hand...
but e.g."fulltilt" will give back 27% of THAT 0.50\$ RAKE back to that ONE! Player
so 0.50 x 0.27 (27%) = rakeback ...
so still its more than 3\$ for e.g. fulltilt
• Bronze
Joined: 24.06.2009
Originally posted by Espire2k6
lol... its 27% rakeback for that 1 PLAYER so lets say 10 players... 0.50\$/1\$
all 10 players are taking rakeback...
pot is 100\$(everyplayer gave same amount) and rake is 5% = 5\$...
so 5\$/10 = 0.50\$ for each player as RAKE for that hand...
but e.g."fulltilt" will give back 27% of THAT 0.50\$ RAKE back to that ONE! Player
so 0.50 x 0.27 (27%) = rakeback ...
so still its more than 3\$ for e.g. fulltilt
i am soory but you wrong what i say was wright
if the pot rake is 5\$ you get 27% even if you didn't played the pot
and only posted blind and dealt cards (even if you not on the bb or sb for that hand or folded the hand)
that is how you get ftp's to
• Bronze
Joined: 11.02.2008
Well, you're close, but so far away too...

You are forgetting that the rake is being evenly distributed over the players at the table:

When calculating rake, Full Tilt use the dealt method. This applies to ringgames and means that whenever you are dealt cards, you earn a part of the table rake. The total rake collected by Full Tilt is evenly distributed amongst every player on a table, no matter if the player contributes money to the pot or folds his cards preflop.

So the calculation should be:

Rabeback paid by fulltilt = (Rake/nr. of players) * (players with rakeback * 27%)

Which in ur example makes: 4/9 * 27% = 12% of total rake
• Bronze
Joined: 28.01.2008
Hello,
As I understand it:

You get FTPs at Full Tilt based on the rake taken from the pot when you were dealt a hand. This is different from the 27% rakeback on the rake you yourself pay. In the \$5 rake example, everyone would get 3 FTPs (theoretically 5, 1 FTP per \$1 rake, but Full Tilt limits to 3 FTP per hand). The amount of rakeback each player would receive depends on how much he invested in the pot, i.e., how much of the rake that was taken was paid by him directly. If, for example, UTG folds directly, he would get 3 FTPs for the hand, but since he did not contribute any money towards the rake taken, no rakeback (or rather, 27% of 0).
• Bronze
Joined: 07.02.2009
108% in a 900% table is a good deal

because they pay 100% rake, but each one gets 27% back. So if 10 players take rakeback the total would be 270% so in a 10 man table 2.7 of them don't pay rake, but the other 7.3 pay rake so they never lose. Also some of them pay more rake and some get less rakeback.
• Bronze
Joined: 24.06.2009
thanks for clearing that deal up for me
but DAWEEF
i think NATETHEGREAT is more right then you
becouse y i should "lose" rake % if i play with another 3 rakebackers?
and i cant know it either

i gess its like nate said rakeback is not like ftp's and it pay you back with your paid rake

i gess i got mix with the bonuses and rake and ftp's
• Bronze
Joined: 30.08.2008

As i understand you have to be dealt in the hand to count for the rakeback. Now your rakeback is counted from the rake at the table. If there are 6 players at the table and the pot is raked for \$3 then your rake counts as \$0.50. Now you would get 27% of that back so you would receive \$0.135 in rakeback.

FTPs are completely different to rakeback btw

Hope this helps!

Regards,

-Jack
• Bronze
Joined: 24.06.2009
so the most rakeback a player can get in full tilt is 0.135\$ per hand??
thats sux
• Bronze
Joined: 30.08.2008
so the most rakeback a player can get in full tilt is 0.135\$ per hand??
thats sux
Well it depends on how much the rake cap is (usually \$3) and how many players are at the table

-Jack
• Global
Joined: 27.02.2009
Just remember poker sites and for that matter casinos were not made to give out money the house never loses lol
• Bronze
Joined: 07.02.2009
so the most rakeback a player can get in full tilt is 0.135\$ per hand??
thats sux

Actually it's very good for SSS players and for tight players overall.
• Bronze
Joined: 11.02.2008
@Advola, I don't think you understood my post... I never said you are getting less rakeback when you play with players that also get rakeback. (In my earlier example the 12% was in comparison to the 108% you came up with...)
I said Rakeback is calculated only for your portion of the rake, which is the total rake divided by the number of players that was dealt in...

If rake is \$3, and 6 players are dealt in, Fulltilt calculates 3/6 = \$0,50 rake for each player.

Rakeback is then 27% of \$0,50

This way of calculating means that rakeback is the same for everybody at the table (with a rakeback account).
As steIIstuI remarked, this means that tight players profit most from rakeback, because they personally generate less rake than loose players, but do get the same amount of rakeback...

I am actually in the process of building a website comparing rake and rakeback systems for the main pokersites. When it is finished I'll post the link...

Ps. The maximum rakeback per hand, thus also depends on the amount of players dealt in... If rake is \$3 and only 3 players are dealt in, this amounts to the staggering sum of \$1 * 27% = \$0,27 rakeback! Weeeeee