[NL2-NL10] NL50 A2s - nut flush draw on flop

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $10.42
      UTG1:
      $10.95
      UTG2:
      $27.02

      0.25/0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A:club: , 2:club:
      UTG folds, UTG1 calls $0.50, UTG2 calls $0.50, 6 folds, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($1.75) 7:club: , 9:club: , J:heart: (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG1 bets $1.75, UTG2 calls $1.75, Hero raises to $9.92 (All-In)...

      Final Pot: $23.87

      Any thoughts?
      Thanks
  • 8 replies
    • Gonzo394
      Gonzo394
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.12.2007 Posts: 2,181
      with those two I would have c/c the flop.

      why would you push?
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Well the thinking was that I'm happy to win the pot here and now if villains fold (i.e. by generating fold equity), or to ensure that if I hit I get paid off.

      I felt that if I just call and hit, it's harder to get paid off.

      But maybe I'm wrong - do you think just calling was better?

      Thanks
    • Gonzo394
      Gonzo394
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.12.2007 Posts: 2,181
      if you hit the flush there are still enough hands around that pay you off.

      you need some implieds to justify a call here, but those two are loose enough to have them.

      their looseness is also the reason i don't think you generate much foldequity.
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Well I certainly agree that their looseness works against our FE.

      But doesn't it also mean we have less implieds, since they'll less often have a hand they're willing to go broke with if an obvious draw completes?

      Cheers for the feedback anyhow...
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
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      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      I like Check/calling for implieds here. I don't really think you have to shove.
    • Gonzo394
      Gonzo394
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      Joined: 29.12.2007 Posts: 2,181
      Originally posted by Tim64
      But doesn't it also mean we have less implieds, since they'll less often have a hand they're willing to go broke with if an obvious draw completes?
      true, if you have opponents who are loose preflop but tighten up postflop.

      first i don't think they would throw something like middle pair away (that is tighten up postflop) and second you can still hit a that makes someone 2 pair, trpis, a straight or even a lower flush here.
    • Gonzo394
      Gonzo394
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      Joined: 29.12.2007 Posts: 2,181
      -.-]
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      If utg+1 just bets and the other one folds, I consider the check/shove

      now as played, you want to get moniez on the Turn & River from 2 opponents whenever you hit.

      + You want to have those weaker hands in their range at all time that will call your vBets
      + You do not isolate yourself against better hands

      - Gerv