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[NL2-NL10] nl200 KK fold?

    • eszibit
      eszibit
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.12.2007 Posts: 1,964
      iPoker No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (10 handed) - iPoker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      saw flop | saw showdown

      SB ($153.77)
      BB ($193) 11/4/0.8/38 205 hands 3bet 0
      UTG ($71.65)
      UTG+1 ($295.61)
      UTG+2 ($272.40)
      MP1 ($232.80)
      MP2 ($175.18) 16/5/inf/13 64 hands,3bet 4%
      MP3 ($208)
      CO ($484.95)
      Hero (Button) ($42.20)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
      4 folds, MP2 calls $2, 2 folds, Hero bets $10, 1 fold, BB raises to $34, MP2 raises to $60, Hero calls $32.20 (All-In), BB raises to $193 (All-In), MP2 calls $115.18 (All-In)

      Flop: ($393.56) J, 9, 2 (3 players, 3 all-in)

      Turn: ($393.56) 9 (3 players, 3 all-in)

      River: ($393.56) 6 (3 players, 3 all-in)

      Total pot: $393.56 | Rake: $3

      I thought about it for all the time i had without timing out ..finnaly decided to push,should i folded?Are this the kind of plays that make the difference between an average player and a good one?

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  • 7 replies
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      No way to fold imo. MP2 is a donkey for limp/raising so i don't give him any credit for being good and BB just has a normal range.

      You only need to win 1/3rd of the time to b/e, you can't lay it down.


      Oh, if you were Fullstacked the decision would be trickier. ;)
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      Hi,

      Yes limp-raise = donkey. But it means AA a lot of times. And this donkey plays limp-MINraise, I would be very suspicious. I think this is one of the few times I would fold KK.

      Make a note for sure :D
    • eszibit
      eszibit
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.12.2007 Posts: 1,964
      I see that you guys aren't too surprised about the BB's 3bet 0% . i mean in 200 hands doesn't this say something?I was more afraid of him then of MP2.
    • RahXephon1
      RahXephon1
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2009 Posts: 972
      No way you can lay this down, BB could be doing that with ak/jj+ and MP2 range can be very wide, you shouldn't be result oriented since that is a one in a million hand. (well actually 1 in a 11.390.625 I think)
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      Hi,

      I agree not to be result oriented. But limp-raise with KK+ AK is a very popular move for donkey's (especially when they have quite a gap between VPIP and PFR). So I would rather be on the safe side, because I do not see myself winning here 1/3 (am I a nit? lol). If you could see the showdown cheap (we fold and BB/MP2 play), you have info for the next time. If he limp-raises with crap we can nail him the next time.

      Rah: agree on BB's range. Why do you think MP2's range could be very wide? He isn't that loose, and he is min-raising BB->not looking for FE (prolly he doesn't know what that is but ok).
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      Well, think of it this way: if you're up against 2 opponents each with AA, at least they can't flop trips :D

      I say nice hand - this happens rarely enough to go broke for 20bb imo.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Hi,

      Please remove the results as they are influencing our opinions ;)

      205 hands is not a sample to determine a 3bet % thus I see it is as a normal 3bet range of like JJ+,AK+ so with Kings, you are mostly good.

      With so much dead money, I ain't folding

      Best regards,
      Gerv