what's better: flush draw or set?

• Bronze
Joined: 25.01.2008
Once again i just lost a set to a river flush. I'm relatively new to poker, and i never did the math, but what is better? As I understand theoretically flush draw completes 1 time out of three, is that correct?

Now couple of examples:
1.) You play 6handed NL10 ring game. You are UTG and you get pocket jacks. You make a standard raise, button calls. flop is 7J3 (two cards suited). You make standard contibet, villain re-raises, you - ?. Both of you have full stacks. Villain is NL10 regular fishy player.

2.) You play 6handed NL10 ring game. You are button and you get 67s. UTG makes standard raise, you call. flop is 7J3 (two cards suited taht makes your flush draw). Villain makes standard contibet, you - ?. Both of you have full stacks. Villain is NL10 regular fishy player.
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• Bronze
Joined: 04.06.2009
Set is better on flop with a 7:1 outs.

But on river and turn flush is better with 2:1 from flop to river.

So the best thing to do when you have a set on board is giving your opponents bad pots odds.

but even if you do so many time they will call all-in with flushdraw and you will loose 1 time/3.

1st examples - All-in give him pot odds perhaps he will fold and the re-raise was only for him to get the control of the pot.If he is a fishy player you will lose 1/3 time so 2/3 time you will stack him so i think all in is good or you can just call until the river but when u will reach the river he will probably fold and you won't stack him.

2nd example - If his contibet is weak or you are feeling weakness from his bet reraise he will probably fold.Else just call and try to make it to the river as cheap possible if he is a fishy player he will go broke on the river even if you have the flush against his high pair.

Just my humble fishy oppinion
• Bronze
Joined: 13.02.2009
Originally posted by wickdclown
Once again i just lost a set to a river flush. I'm relatively new to poker, and i never did the math, but what is better? As I understand theoretically flush draw completes 1 time out of three, is that correct?

Now couple of examples:
1.) You play 6handed NL10 ring game. You are UTG and you get pocket jacks. You make a standard raise, button calls. flop is 7J3 (two cards suited). You make standard contibet, villain re-raises, you - ?. Both of you have full stacks. Villain is NL10 regular fishy player.

2.) You play 6handed NL10 ring game. You are button and you get 67s. UTG makes standard raise, you call. flop is 7J3 (two cards suited taht makes your flush draw). Villain makes standard contibet, you - ?. Both of you have full stacks. Villain is NL10 regular fishy player.
if you are new to poker... how come you are platinum ???
• Silver
Joined: 24.03.2008
A floped set with beat a flush drew 2 of 3 times asuming they dont have a pair already...then the odds change, only very margionally though.
• Bronze
Joined: 25.01.2008
Originally posted by FWKanobi
if you are new to poker... how come you are platinum ???
relatively is the keyword. I am grinding NL cash tables for the third month, used to play SNG's for a few months before that. That's nothing compared to experience of someone who plays for years

So I guess I should just keep pushing all-in in situations where i have set on the wet flop, and in the long run profit will come..
• Bronze
Joined: 24.05.2008
Hi there :-)

Originally posted by wickdclown
1.) You play 6handed NL10 ring game. You are UTG and you get pocket jacks. You make a standard raise, button calls. flop is 7J3 (two cards suited). You make standard contibet, villain re-raises, you - ?. Both of you have full stacks. Villain is NL10 regular fishy player.
Obviously you have the NUTS in that spot so in that spot you NEVER fold .. Only a question if you want to raise back or just call .. Personally I like pushing and saying Ship iiiiiit

The best chance he can have is with
4 5, 5 6, 8 9, 10 9, ---> you have 66% to win (2 out of 3)
If he has any two hearts you have 72,6% to win
If he has anything este he is pretty much crushed very badly

[size=12][quote]2.) You play 6handed NL10 ring game. You are button and you get 67s. UTG makes standard raise, you call. flop is 7J3 (two cards suited taht makes your flush draw). Villain makes standard contibet, you - ?. Both of you have full stacks. Villain is NL10 regular fishy player.[/size]
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Lets take like 10% UTG raising range (88+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo)
- you have 64,459% to win -- So for me it is never a fold (what to do is a question of how your opponent is playing)
• Bronze
Joined: 23.08.2009
You also have a 4:1 chance to improve to FH or better... SHEEEEEEEP ITTTTTT
• Bronze
Joined: 02.07.2008
if you don't know that set > FD donwload equilator as soon as possible
• Bronze
Joined: 05.11.2008
what the hell

you can't be platinum and don't know sets are worthless.
• Bronze
Joined: 04.06.2009
Originally posted by Ka0s
what the hell

you can't be platinum and don't know sets are worthless.
Sets are worthles
• Bronze
Joined: 05.11.2008
yes! quads is what you're looking for
• Bronze
Joined: 02.07.2009
what the actual f!

obvs allin the set
• Silver
Joined: 24.03.2008
Originally posted by Ka0s
yes! quads is what you're looking for
just big LOL.....
• Silver
Joined: 24.03.2008
Originally posted by Ka0s
what the hell

you can't be platinum and don't know sets are worthless.
If you say so.....Sets are not worthless.

Could you explain to me then why there my biggest winning hand? I win more with sets than i do with straights + flushes added together...Least thats what my PT3 says....but i guess that must be wrong.....
• Bronze
Joined: 05.11.2008
wow I asked some high stakes professional and it turns out you guys are right!
And I was throwing my sets away, exept top set of course.
• Bronze
Joined: 25.10.2008
Originally posted by jonnyjm
Could you explain to me then why there my biggest winning hand? I win more with sets than i do with straights + flushes added together...Least thats what my PT3 says....but i guess that must be wrong.....
Variance.
• Bronze
Joined: 10.03.2009
can't believe this.. This is the most obvious thing in the world.
you have about 40% chance to hit your flush, that means 60% of the time your set is good. Even if your opponent hits his flush, you only need to pair the board to beat him. That's usually 10 outs depending, and that's 20% to suckout. If you have a flush draw on top of that on the turn, you can add 8 outs on top of that. that's 18 outs which is 36% to suckout (asuming you have a higher flushdraw than your opponents made flush). So if you get your money in on the flop, you're in good shape with a set against a flushdraw. It's retarded to think otherwise.
• Bronze
Joined: 05.11.2008
Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
Variance.
Gold
• Silver
Joined: 24.03.2008
Originally posted by NejTilSvampe
can't believe this.. This is the most obvious thing in the world.
you have about 40% chance to hit your flush, that means 60% of the time your set is good. Even if your opponent hits his flush, you only need to pair the board to beat him. That's usually 10 outs depending, and that's 20% to suckout. If you have a flush draw on top of that on the turn, you can add 8 outs on top of that. that's 18 outs which is 36% to suckout (asuming you have a higher flushdraw than your opponents made flush). So if you get your money in on the flop, you're in good shape with a set against a flushdraw. It's retarded to think otherwise.
+1
• Silver
Joined: 24.03.2008
Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
Originally posted by jonnyjm
Could you explain to me then why there my biggest winning hand? I win more with sets than i do with straights + flushes added together...Least thats what my PT3 says....but i guess that must be wrong.....
Variance.
I disagree, my sarmple size is plentty big enough for varriance not to be the deciding factor.

I stack plentty more people with sets than straights and flushes.