[NL20-NL50] nl25 QQ vs 4bet

    • GrantJennings
      GrantJennings
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.07.2008 Posts: 232
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      MP1:
      $25.00
      MP2:
      $32.55
      MP3:
      $27.20
      CO:
      $49.65
      BU:
      $23.90
      SB(Hero):
      $54.85
      BB:
      $38.80
      UTG2:
      $12.50


      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
      2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.85, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.00, BB folds, MP2 raises to $9.00, Hero calls $6.00.

      Flop: ($18.25) K, 3, 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP2 bets $12.00, Hero folds, MP2 gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $18.25.
  • 3 replies
    • maya1984
      maya1984
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2008 Posts: 1,741
      calling a 4bet with 100BB (120BB too) effective stacks is bad. especially OOP.
      short reasons are: (assוming this guy is a TAG and has a standard 4bet range)

      - you will get little (or you just won't) value from AK when A,K doesn't show up on the flop.

      -when AK show up, you are screwed. (either you c/f flop or c/c flop and then forced to c/f)

      - KK+ has you crashed any way.

      - You aren't getting the implied to call for set value. You call 6$ to win 12.25+23.55 (villains remaining stack) which gives you 5.9:1.

      So:

      If that guy is a nit I prefer to fold it pf. If that guy has wired stats or 4bet% light I'd shove over pf.
    • GrantJennings
      GrantJennings
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.07.2008 Posts: 232
      Word. Classic case of either fold or bet being the correct play, and I compromise and call.

      I really need to have Elephant working!
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by maya1984
      calling a 4bet with 100BB (120BB too) effective stacks is bad. especially OOP.
      short reasons are: (assוming this guy is a TAG and has a standard 4bet range)

      - you will get little (or you just won't) value from AK when A,K doesn't show up on the flop.

      -when AK show up, you are screwed. (either you c/f flop or c/c flop and then forced to c/f)

      - KK+ has you crashed any way.

      - You aren't getting the implied to call for set value. You call 6$ to win 12.25+23.55 (villains remaining stack) which gives you 5.9:1.

      So:

      If that guy is a nit I prefer to fold it pf. If that guy has wired stats or 4bet% light I'd shove over pf.
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