would you play this differently ?

    • steIIstuI
      steIIstuI
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      $40/$80 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG2 = ($1920.00)
      MP1 = ($500.00)
      MP2 = ($1125.00)
      MP3(Hero) = ($4020.00)
      CO = ($1650.00)
      BU = ($22642.00)
      SB = ($1740.00)
      BB = ($3570.00)
      UTG1 = ($5130.00)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5 :spade: , 5 :diamond: .
      4 folds, Hero calls $80.00, CO folds, BU raises to $360.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $280.00.

      Flop: ($840) T :spade: , 5 :heart: , 7 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $1,840.00, Hero calls $1,840.00.

      Turn: ($4520) 3 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero raises to $1,820.00(All-In), BU calls $1,820.00.

      River: ($8160) 6 :club: (0 players)
      BU gets uncalled bet back.

      stelistuI shows [5s 5d]
      Swish777 shows [6d 6s]
      *** RIVER *** [Ts 5h 7d 3s] [6c]
      stelistuI shows three of a kind, Fives
      Swish777 shows three of a kind, Sixes
      Swish777 wins the pot (8,160) with three of a kind, Sixes
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 8,160 | Rake 0
      Board: [Ts 5h 7d 3s 6c]
      Seat 1: GalizaCeibe didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 2: XSNIPER-USMC didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 3: A Flopodopolous didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 4: stelistuI showed [5s 5d] and lost with three of a kind, Fives
      Seat 5: Onehunga didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 6: Swish777 (button) showed [6d 6s] and won (8,160) with three of a kind, Sixes

      i forgot what a 2 outer was like
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    • Falco84
      Falco84
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      You played it well. It's just poker. :)
    • elhh82
      elhh82
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      play with a short stack or full stack, never a mid stack.

      and i would fold to the raise, based on the call20 rule. theres not enough implied odds to make this call preflop.

      on the flop, raise it all-in after he bets.

      and btw, its a 6 outer, he had four other outs in the 4s for the straight.
    • Zemnieks11
      Zemnieks11
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      Why not a mid stack? Whats so bad about? I like mid stack better than big or short stack. Player dont respect your mid stack as they do it with short stacks and they more often call raises!
    • elhh82
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      short-stack = easy to play, push/fold often, cannot maximize value

      big-stack = maximum value, difficult to play

      mid stack = almost as difficult to play as big stack, cannot maximize value.

      Mid Stack = Lose Lose
    • luckysim1
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      Unless he plays NL8000, im pretty sure this is a tourney, just wrong hand history converter. Am i wrong? :f_biggrin:
    • andyb43
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      Originally posted by elhh82
      play with a short stack or full stack, never a mid stack.


      Is this not an MTT or SnG?

      I'm not calling the raise in this spot w 55
    • elhh82
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      on second thought that does seem like an MTT/SnG.

      The rest of the stuff i said except the mid stack part still stands tho :)
    • buhhy
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      I think a better question is why he called...
    • kAoChAn
      kAoChAn
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      yes, I would play differently...since I'm a fish most of the time I would've re-raised...LOL seriously, I would've probably put the villain on top set but I can't blame you for going all in, and I agree with buhhy...why did he call?

      BTW, is it all right to include the actual names of the players involved? just wondering...
    • Atargatis
      Atargatis
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      Originally posted by steIIstuI
      $40/$80 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG2 = ($1920.00)
      MP1 = ($500.00)
      MP2 = ($1125.00)
      MP3(Hero) = ($4020.00)
      CO = ($1650.00)
      BU = ($22642.00)
      SB = ($1740.00)
      BB = ($3570.00)
      UTG1 = ($5130.00)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5 :spade: , 5 :diamond: .
      4 folds, Hero calls $80.00, CO folds, BU raises to $360.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $280.00.

      Flop: ($840) T :spade: , 5 :heart: , 7 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $1,840.00, Hero calls $1,840.00.

      Turn: ($4520) 3 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero raises to $1,820.00(All-In), BU calls $1,820.00.

      River: ($8160) 6 :club: (0 players)
      BU gets uncalled bet back.

      stelistuI shows [5s 5d]
      Swish777 shows [6d 6s]
      *** RIVER *** [Ts 5h 7d 3s] [6c]
      stelistuI shows three of a kind, Fives
      Swish777 shows three of a kind, Sixes
      Swish777 wins the pot (8,160) with three of a kind, Sixes
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 8,160 | Rake 0
      Board: [Ts 5h 7d 3s 6c]
      Seat 1: GalizaCeibe didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 2: XSNIPER-USMC didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 3: A Flopodopolous didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 4: stelistuI showed [5s 5d] and lost with three of a kind, Fives
      Seat 5: Onehunga didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 6: Swish777 (button) showed [6d 6s] and won (8,160) with three of a kind, Sixes

      i forgot what a 2 outer was like
      I would fold preflop.
      You play pocket pair for set value only when there are limpers and implied odds.

      you were first in , out of position.

      Fold.
    • PocketAcesJohn
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      Am i the only one who has a problem with his open limping? Raise personally or dont play it...i profer the first option...Possible to represent a bigger hand should you miss your set and have a good read on what your opponent A) has himself B) Thinks you have.
    • mishkagg
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      I would have folded pre-flop.

      Low pocket pairs are deadly from early position and you don't know what's going to happen soon when there are so many people behind you but you always have to fold to a squeeze. So IMO you're just putting in some dead money in the pot.
    • randomdonk
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      it's an mtt obv..

      i raise it if they're tight and i haven't seen co or sb resteal. bu can easily reraise u very wide aswell with his huge stack. if he's passive i wouldnt mind him coming along (which would give the bb pretty decent odds to do so aswell, and if u hit your set u have better chances of getting paid off).
      never ever open limp. u're giving away the iniciative and u don't want that, especially when a huge bigstack has position on u (if he's somewhat decent anyways).

      i guess it's ok to just fold it if the bigstack is too agressive or u have seen the ~20 bb stacks restealing (pushing against a raise) a fair amount of the times when they get the chance.

      if i had reads of the bigstack like he's a maniac and would 3bet me every time, but would also raise if i open limp, i might just limp/call like u did if i know he will stack off lightly (like he did :P )


      postflop... well... lol at his bet. guess what i do depends of what i have seen him doing before. if he makes that retarded overbet with draws i just stick it in right there. if he does that when he thinks he's ahead i check/call flop and turn (check/raise turn if he now decides to bet ridiculously small for some reason)



      those are my 2 cents, hope it helps and feel free to correct me if something i said is wrong, since i'm kind of a newbie myself :s_cool:
    • tac3znarf
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      1st in in MP3, I would raise preflop.

      It would be better if we have stats or reads on the villain. :)

      The way the hand has been played:

      PreFlop: If we follow the standard rule 20 for set value then fold but if you have reads and stats on the BU such as looser raising range that can be out played post flop then that would be another reason for a call/raise.

      Flop: I will also C/C since the board is dry for a raised pot. You will only force weaker hands to fold.

      Turn: I like the shove since the board got scary.

      Overall you have played it great. He just got lucky.

      We do love players calling with two outers, afterall, in the long run we can profit from them.
    • Justin37
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      This is how i play it since BU already raise it preflop. He either got mid pair or high pair.

      Flop: ($840) T , 5 , 7 (2 players)
      Hero ALL IN, BU ??? call or fold
    • andyb43
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      Originally posted by Justin37
      This is how i play it since BU already raise it preflop. He either got mid pair or high pair.

      Flop: ($840) T , 5 , 7 (2 players)
      Hero ALL IN, BU ??? call or fold
      yep, our hero was bitten on the ass by some cunning slow play by checking the flop
    • SonicXT
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      Originally posted by elhh82
      play with a short stack or full stack, never a mid stack.
      I ain't never seen NL8k at any site
      I doubt a bronze member would be able to play NL8k
      I doubt NL8k would have so many fish that only one is full stacked.
      An imaginary NL8k regular would probably not need our help.

      Logic fail
    • elhh82
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      i was actually thinking it was a play money table :tongue:
    • steIIstuI
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      Originally posted by luckysim1
      Unless he plays NL8000, im pretty sure this is a tourney, just wrong hand history converter. Am i wrong? :f_biggrin:

      it's a GP/rebuy tournament and it was at the 5th blind level.


      And I stand corrected, i was too upset to see the gutshot.

      I knew villain raises pf like that with big pairs. So if he has a strong hand and I can outflop him i have great implied odds to call the pf raise and if i hit the set i stack him. If i knew he plays weak hands as well then it would be a bad call since i will not win as much if i hit the set.

      I'm not that of a fish... I just did the mistake of cashing out my entire bankroll (about 2k from a 250$ deposit) and spending all. now I'm broke =) )
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