[NL2-NL10] The Nuts after Flop loses...

    • Sebby07
      Sebby07
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.11.2009 Posts: 29
      First of all sorry for posting this the first time in the wrong section. I haven't seen the hand evaluation for the bronze lvl.

      Here's how it happened:

      Hand#2042014300000679 - Paris 14300 -- $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em -- 2009/11/07 - 13:35:55
      Seat 1: akma***1 ($7.94 in chips)
      Seat 2: Gles***2 ($9.80 in chips)
      Seat 3: saxo***3 ($2.63 in chips)
      Seat 4: japa***4 ($3.70 in chips)
      Seat 5: Arch***5 ($14.67 in chips)
      Seat 7: kocj***7 ($8.97 in chips) DEALER
      Seat 8: Blac***8 ($19.20 in chips)
      Seat 9: Sebby05 ($2.96 in chips)
      Seat 10: tacm***10 ($10 in chips)
      Blac***8: posts small blind $0.05
      Sebby05: posts big blind $0.10
      Dealt to Sebby05 [Ad,Qs]
      tacm***10: folds
      akma***1: folds
      Gles***2: folds
      saxo***3: raises to $0.30
      japa***4: folds
      Arch***5: folds
      kocj***7: folds
      Blac***8: folds
      Sebby05: calls $0.20
      *** FLOP *** [Qc,Ac,Qd]
      Sebby05: checks
      saxo***3: checks
      *** TURN *** [4c]
      Sebby05: checks
      saxo***3: bets $0.30
      Sebby05: raises to $0.60
      saxo***3: calls $0.30
      *** RIVER *** [Kd]
      Sebby05: bets $1
      saxo***3: is all in 1.7300
      Sebby05: calls $0.73
      Sebby05: shows [Ad Qs]
      saxo***3: shows [Kh Ks]
      ***SHOW DOWN***
      saxo***3: wins $4.96 with Full House, Kings full of Queens

      What have I done wrong? Should have I bet after the flop? I taught that if i don't this way I'll get more money out of him - that he would probably try to bluff.

      I was wrong...
  • 12 replies
    • SonicXT
      SonicXT
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      Joined: 15.06.2007 Posts: 4,736
      Fold preflop according to SSS.
      Stick to the rules as a beginner.

      After a raise, you can only play JJ+ and AK and those you raise up.
      In SSS, you never call preflop (except maybe some pocket pair in late position vs some limpers)
    • Sebby07
      Sebby07
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      Joined: 01.11.2009 Posts: 29
      I was on the BB. :) )
    • jonnyquest
      jonnyquest
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      Joined: 21.09.2009 Posts: 285
      Hi

      1- you shouldn't have been at the table with more than 25bb.

      2- don't call raises with AQo, especially against another short stacker.

      3- when you raise it should be a proper amount. He would have folded on the turn to a bigger raise.

      At NL10 you should stick to basic SSS. I'm a begginer too so take my advice with some caution.
    • tigerK
      tigerK
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      Joined: 14.10.2008 Posts: 4,566
      Originally posted by jonnyquest
      1- you shouldn't have been at the table with more than 25bb.

      2- don't call raises with AQo, especially against another short stacker.

      3- when you raise it should be a proper amount. He would have folded on the turn to a bigger raise.
      QFT.

      a proper check/raise turn is a bet of 0.90$ (3Xbet). Bad luck here, 95% of the time you would have won this hand.
    • Sebby07
      Sebby07
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.11.2009 Posts: 29
      I know i should have raised, when I saw the flop. But I was sure that if i raised he would fold. So I taught that this way I'll get more $.
    • tigerK
      tigerK
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      Joined: 14.10.2008 Posts: 4,566
      You don't understand.

      The check flop was the good move, you must slowplay here, nobody is stupid enough to blame you for that. We just say that your min check/raise turn is not a good bet sizing: 0.90 instead of 0.60. That's it.

      Be more confident in your game, if you do something you should be able to explain why.
    • jonnyquest
      jonnyquest
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      Joined: 21.09.2009 Posts: 285
      Hi Sebby07,

      I think if you're trying to extract value by betting small it will have the oppisite effect long term. You'll invite bad beats and when you get called and win you don't get max value. Tiger's right you need to be confident and decisive in your decisions. Your actions should have purpose and you should know what that purpose is. Hope you have better luck next time.

      Cheers
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey Sebby07,

      welcome to the SSS forum.

      Fold preflop. As a beginner you should never ever call preflop while playing SSS, specially not OOP. So, just reraise JJ+/AK and fold the rest until you start playing with stats and reads.

      As played, check/call on the flop is a good line, but when villain checks the flop behind you have to lead out the turn, because you have to build up the pot and you don't want to see another check behind.

      Regards,
      burek2000
    • Sebby07
      Sebby07
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      Joined: 01.11.2009 Posts: 29
      Ok. I think I understood... I should have bet right from the flop. Right?
    • tigerK
      tigerK
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      Joined: 14.10.2008 Posts: 4,566
      LOL


      Thanks you made my day. ahaha you funny.
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey Sebby07,

      Originally posted by Sebby07
      Ok. I think I understood... I should have bet right from the flop. Right?
      Checking the flop is fine with intention of calling in case the opponent contibets.

      But opponent didn't contibet the flop, so you have to bet the turn, because you have to build up the pot.

      You could also bet the flop, but check on the flop is a better choice.

      Regards,
      burek2000
    • gedwashere91
      gedwashere91
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      Joined: 20.07.2009 Posts: 2,387
      Its also worth pointing out that AQ on a board of AQQ is not even "the nuts" (best POSSIBLE hand on board) after the flop... If he had AA you were completely crushed, and considering he was playing SSS too this is not that unlikely considering SSS hand range.
      Should just fold this AQ preflop and avoid the trouble.