[NL2-NL10] Nl400 Kq Sb

    • raun
      Joined: 15.07.2007 Posts: 746
      can we speak of pros and cons of calling or 3betting here? i mean a 3bet hardly generates any FE in my experience on these limits vs a minraise and when i get called i will be playing out of position. and i think the same goes for the same situation if mp2 was limping instead of minraising.

      BB is a lag/tag and MP2 is unknown.

      i'd like some opinions.

      Created by SharpStats
      Hand#2046014444000382 - Amsterdam 14444 -- $2/$4 NL Hold'em -- 2009-11-11 - 09:55:58
      Seat 1: give***1 ($447,00 in chips)
      Seat 2: ++DV***2 ($74,00 in chips)
      Seat 3: ISmo***3 ($504,00 in chips)
      Seat 4: Keys***4 ($298,70 in chips) DEALER
      Seat 5: hero ($76,00 in chips)
      Seat 7: Bein***7 ($973,60 in chips)
      Seat 8: zas2***8 ($437,90 in chips)
      Seat 9: Fini***9 ($463,60 in chips)
      Seat 10: geto***10 ($360,50 in chips)
      hero: posts small blind $2,00
      Bein***7: posts big blind $4,00
      Dealt to hero [Qh,Kc]
      zas2***8: folds
      Fini***9: folds
      geto***10: folds
      give***1: raises to $8,00
      ++DV***2: folds
      ISmo***3: folds
      Keys***4: folds
      hero: calls $6,00
      Bein***7: calls $4,00
      *** FLOP *** [4d,8s,4h]
      hero: checks
      Bein***7: checks
      give***1: checks
      *** TURN *** [7d]
      hero: checks
      Bein***7: bets $12,00
      give***1: calls $12,00
      hero: folds
      *** RIVER *** [6d]
      Bein***7: bets $28,00
      give***1: folds
      Bein***7: returns uncalled bet $28,00
      ***SHOW DOWN***
      Bein***7: mucks
      Bein***7: wins $45,60
  • 7 replies
    • Ishindar
      Joined: 31.12.2008 Posts: 259
      considering MP2 is unknown i play this hand exactly the same as you.

      if MP2 is lag i 3 bet preflop which will hopefully discourage the BB from entering the hand also. I would then donk bet if the flop hits my range within reason. in this case the flop is low and i cant represent anything so i check to him.

      if MP2 is tag ill limp in from the SB and play as you did.
    • dandycal
      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Against a complete unknown this is a bit tricky, cause some I know many regulars min-raise from any position with their tag ranges, so you can't really just treat them as 2 limpers on this limit. But I don't like calling an MP2 raise with KQo either. Playing passively OOP sucks a lot.

      So I think you either fold or 3 bet, since then at least you have initiative and can take the pot with a cb. I prefer folding against a complete unknown on this spot.
    • raun
      Joined: 15.07.2007 Posts: 746
      yea its a tough one. i dont think i can bring myself to fold here.

      @Ishindar: i sent you a message
    • burek2000
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey raun,

      I would just muck KQ here against unknown for the following reasons:

      - players use 2-3BB raises as their standard openraising range on those limits, so I wouldn't presume that's a weakness

      - if you call preflop, you have high possibility of being squeezed by BB if he's really a LAG and if MP2 isn't too loose player you will be dominated by quite big part of his range and will dominate no hand

      - also, if you call, you're OOP with marginal hand against preflop aggressor, so every half-decent player will outplay you postflop

      - you could decide to reraise preflop, but I think doing so with KQ would be overplay against unknown

      - and I hate unknown villains on NL200+ :)

      Hope this helps, but I'm leaving unjudged for a little bit more experienced judge as I'm quite new to NL400+ myself.

    • raun
      Joined: 15.07.2007 Posts: 746
      imo the fact that he is unknown makes it more likely that he is a bad player.
      i know all the regs on nl400+ who play when i play
    • tigerK
      Joined: 14.10.2008 Posts: 4,566
      fold preflop. call OOP is bad, 3-bet is worst. This is not a good spot in NL400.

      Against an unknown, play as straight as you can.
    • Gerv
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      I found calling the worst move unless you 3bet relatively small.

      So I think I would 3bet to $28-30 or fold pre. A shove is a consideration but is mostly overplaying your hand while adding nothing to the equation (leverage)

      - Gerv