it seems no one fold flush draws...

    • Skibula
      Skibula
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      Joined: 09.07.2008 Posts: 86
      hey all,


      it just me or no one flod flush draws ?

      im not talking about us "not fish players"

      but not the avg payer and fish..


      i understand the need to be aggreisve with flush draw thats cool

      but if some one come over the top at you and you have no odds to call (way no odds )
      pepole keep calling with the flush draw (i guess thats good for me in the long run)


      its just me or its actully what happens..
      pepole does not give up flush draws (IM NOT TALKING ABOUT MY SELF.. I HAVE NO PROBLEM TO THROW FLUSH DRAWS OR FLUSHES)
  • 10 replies
    • RahXephon1
      RahXephon1
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      Joined: 14.04.2009 Posts: 972
      Yes fishes never fold them as FDs are the nuts.
    • harleytopper
      harleytopper
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      Joined: 28.09.2007 Posts: 680
      I don't see a question in first post :) Do you want answer "yes we all hate that fishes don't muck flash draws" to feel better?
    • Berkstajger
      Berkstajger
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      Joined: 19.03.2009 Posts: 878
      Fish like to call when they absolutely don't have odds to do so.

      That's why they're fish? :f_confused:
    • MrPavlos
      MrPavlos
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      Joined: 12.02.2009 Posts: 553
      FD+overcards=nuts ussually,
      FD+pair=nuts for sure
      let people draw their fd's and be happy each time they wont hit
      accept that almost 30% of the time they will hit
    • fun101rockets
      fun101rockets
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      Joined: 01.06.2008 Posts: 1,162
      its actually 36% if u dont have a blocker.
    • michaelqian
      michaelqian
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      For the past 2 months I've also been destroyed by flushes.

      My flushdraws never ever hit.

      When I go all in while I'm ahead, and opponent is on a flushdraw, they would always hit 100% guaranteed.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Originally posted by fun101rockets
      its actually 36% if u dont have a blocker.
      it's actuaöly more if you don't have a blocker and less if you do ;)
    • VheroM
      VheroM
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      Originally posted by Berkstajger
      Fish like to call when they absolutely don't have odds to do so.

      That's why they're fish? :f_confused:
      Dont you guys know that gutshot is the real nuts?

      In europe they are called "turkish nuts"

      And in italy they have attached to all computer this siren that goes off if someone has a gutshot draw.
    • Hahaownedlolz
      Hahaownedlolz
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      i always just make it to expensive to make the call..


      for example i have top pair good kicker in a heads up sng. i raise and get reraised. i shove it all in. no matter what the chip and pot size is.


      Simply because the odds they would get are horrible and i don't want to get sucked out on xD . sometimes they do make the call and thats free $$ for me
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Joined: 03.08.2009 Posts: 13,295
      I've been thinking about this a little bit lately.

      Say you are playing with 80BB stack and make a standard 5BB isoraise which is called by villian. Pot size on flop is ~11BB, and you make a cbet of 8BB with your TPTK on 2 to flush board. Villain calls. Turn is a blank. Pot size is now ~27BB with 67BB left in stack. You barrel the turn for 20BB, villain calls. The river completes the possible flush draw. The pot size is now 67BB with stack size remaining of 47BB. Villain shoves.

      On the one hand, it is likely villain has hit his flush. On the other hand it still sucks to fold TPTK with less than a pot size bet left. What if villain is representing the flush as a bluff? I wonder if it is ever good to overbet (or even shove) the turn against known flush chasers. It makes it less likely for you to get good value from Non-FD worse made hands but increases your fold equity against villain giving you more protection from suckouts. (Or even if it doesn't actually increase your fold equity, it means more of the money has gone in while you have the best hand, making your river decision easier. Also, if the flush doesn't hit, they might fold the river anyway, so perhaps you are even increasing your value against players who are simply incapable of folding flush draws regardless of the odds. )

      Well, just figured I'd share my thoughts. Hopefully the maths is correct.

      w34z3l