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Tell me, am i an idiot in this hand?

    • thegrouse
      thegrouse
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.05.2009 Posts: 44
      okay, so this hand happened with 18 of us left in a 70dollar MTT. top spot was about 5k. I literally flipped out afterwards. I went nuts and ran up and the main road next to my house in the rain shouting expletives. Im aware that i tilt like a frickin seesaw and that was a prime example of how mad i can get - im working on it. I have yet to win make a final table in an MTT and i take it very personally everytime i get close and fail. anyway, i dont think i did anything completely retarded here, but nothing smart either. can You analyse this hand for me? My logic was to shove allin over a raise from behind. on the flop i was hoping to represent a bluff/weak overpair and get an overpair call. blahblahblah, im gonna stop yacking now. How would you have played it? how should i have played it?:

      Full Tilt Poker Game #16529795793: $17,500 KO Guarantee (122249835), Table 3 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:33:26 ET - 2009/12/04
      Seat 1: call in 33 (69,481)
      Seat 2: sonny19125 (15,020)
      Seat 3: LuckyRiver1 (61,155)
      Seat 4: CowdyFishburger (32,400)
      Seat 5: PsychoAB1 (69,648)
      Seat 6: paybitsnow (26,450)
      Seat 7: lordhutty (74,714)
      Seat 8: SARGE_OZ (38,195)
      Seat 9: Rob Foreman (24,559)
      call in 33 antes 300
      sonny19125 antes 300
      LuckyRiver1 antes 300
      CowdyFishburger antes 300
      PsychoAB1 antes 300
      paybitsnow antes 300
      lordhutty antes 300
      SARGE_OZ antes 300
      Rob Foreman antes 300
      lordhutty posts the small blind of 1,200
      SARGE_OZ posts the big blind of 2,400
      The button is in seat #6
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to Rob Foreman [Qc Qs]
      lordhutty: im broke
      Rob Foreman has 15 seconds left to act
      Rob Foreman calls 2,400
      call in 33 calls 2,400
      lordhutty: i can play a lot when my roll is small
      sonny19125 has 15 seconds left to act
      Rob Foreman: lol, not after that 2nd
      sonny19125 folds
      LuckyRiver1 folds
      CowdyFishburger folds
      PsychoAB1 folds
      paybitsnow folds
      lordhutty: 2 kids and a wife
      lordhutty has 15 seconds left to act
      lordhutty calls 1,200
      SARGE_OZ checks
      *** FLOP *** [2s 4h 2d]
      lordhutty: still real broke
      lordhutty checks
      SARGE_OZ checks
      Rob Foreman has 15 seconds left to act
      Rob Foreman bets 21,859, and is all in
      call in 33 folds
      lordhutty folds
      SARGE_OZ calls 21,859
      Rob Foreman shows [Qc Qs]
      SARGE_OZ shows [2h Qd]
      *** TURN *** [2s 4h 2d] [Kc]
      *** RIVER *** [2s 4h 2d Kc] [7s]
      Rob Foreman shows two pair, Queens and Twos
      SARGE_OZ shows three of a kind, Twos
      SARGE_OZ wins the pot (56,018) with three of a kind, Twos
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 56,018 | Rake 0
      Board: [2s 4h 2d Kc 7s]
      Seat 1: call in 33 folded on the Flop
      Seat 2: sonny19125 folded before the Flop
      Seat 3: LuckyRiver1 folded before the Flop
      Seat 4: CowdyFishburger folded before the Flop
      Seat 5: PsychoAB1 folded before the Flop
      Seat 6: paybitsnow (button) folded before the Flop
      Seat 7: lordhutty (small blind) folded on the Flop
      Seat 8: SARGE_OZ (big blind) showed [2h Qd] and won (56,018) with three of a kind, Twos
      Seat 9: Rob Foreman showed [Qc Qs] and lost with two pair, Queens and Twos
  • 9 replies
    • TheLastNail
      TheLastNail
      Black
      Joined: 30.05.2008 Posts: 6,038
      yea, its very bad u havent raised preflop. u have ~10bb left right? easy shove pre- that even looks most bluffy from BU spot and u re going to get call from lower pairs from limpers almost for sure.
    • Anssi
      Anssi
      Black
      Joined: 03.07.2008 Posts: 2,173
      Preflop is ok, but if you limp you have to accept that people will suck out on you sometimes. Flop play makes no sense, you give no opportunities for villains to make mistakes.
    • Anssi
      Anssi
      Black
      Joined: 03.07.2008 Posts: 2,173
      Originally posted by TheLastNail
      yea, its very bad u havent raised preflop. u have ~10bb left right? easy shove pre- that even looks most bluffy from BU spot and u re going to get call from lower pairs from limpers almost for sure.
      He is UTG.
    • SallaMC
      SallaMC
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.09.2007 Posts: 721
      http://www.flopturnriver.com/Poker-Hand-QcQs-Tournament-UTG-920993.php

      Use this format for future references please.
      I think that UTG you should push this, because some people consider UTG as a good stealing spot. Also, you got an M of less than 5, so people are not gonna give you too much credit for the raise anyway and you might end up getting a call (hopefully an isoraise) from JTo.
      Also, the late phase of many tourneys is dominated by steal raises and resteal raises. You are destroying your table image bei limping first in with QQ, which might not be the best thing.
      Better luck in the next tourney.
      Cheers, Sebastian
    • thegrouse
      thegrouse
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.05.2009 Posts: 44
      what does the 'M' mean?
    • thebigheizung85
      thebigheizung85
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.08.2006 Posts: 195
      • 05.12.2009, 00:12
      • This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by thebigheizung85: 05.12.2009 00:13.
      it is a concept of the relation of your stack size to the number of rounds you can play with it (SB+BB+number of antes per player on the table)

      M is exactly the number of rounds you have until all your money is disappeared in blinds and antes

      with an M of 10 you start to look for opportunities to get your money in
      with an M of 5 in your case you urgently look for these spots and loosen up your raising/pushing ranges dramatically

      so unfortunately you made quite a mistake in playing that hand... as pointed out previously you have good reason to raise preflop but also as played (called preflop, which i consider a rather big mistake already) you should treat your hand as way ahead/way behind, because the flop is pretty dry and the number of straight draws is limited and only backdoor flush draws are out there
      and in way ahead/way behind situation you try to avoid increasing the pot size by your own betting/raising
    • thegrouse
      thegrouse
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.05.2009 Posts: 44
      oh ok. i think i understand the 'm' concept. Im so frustrated that i made that mistake at such a pivotal point. Like i said above, im still waiting to actually make a final table and to get so close and mess it up just sucks.

      But today's a new day. I'm gonna keep sluggin' away.
    • ksh198
      ksh198
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.12.2008 Posts: 226
      lol fucking tard
    • thegrouse
      thegrouse
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.05.2009 Posts: 44
      that's helpful. ahem, *cough*twat*cough*