get away from KK pre?

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    • GunFlavoured
      GunFlavoured
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      Originally posted by Janusrichmond
      is it okey to fold KK pre against a tight opponent 4-beting you? in a full ring game.

      From my small experience they are very often holding AA..


      or is KK always all in pre?
      Yeah I'm never folding KK preflop in a cash game.
    • fakedurrr
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      if u start to fold KK then they will 4bet u a lot .... againt his range u are AT LEAST Break Even plus if there are some DEad money u even gain
      So no, dont fold KK pre only if u know opponent is supe nit then u call for set value...:D
    • PocketAcesJohn
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      It's possible to be nitty tight and still a retard ;) If there range is just QQ AA AK well you have 57% equity. What more you are playing a cash game. The odds of you having KK whilst another player has AA is like are pritty small although obviously through high volume it happens pritty regulary. Its just a cooler if they have AA. If i have KK and they have AA well there getting payed. Just like if i have a full house and someone has Quads im going to pay them off, because the odds of such events are small enough not to have to worry about about them.
    • kosmonaut111
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      Dont fold KK for 100BB preflop. Specially on lower stakes (up to NL100).
      Even nits go sometimes grazy. One guy told me that in DoN SNG he was with KK against a real nit and folded to nits shove. He then showed Q8o him... :f_confused:
      Btw you can always hit your K :D
    • ksh198
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      Originally posted by kosmonaut111
      Dont fold KK for 100BB preflop. Specially on lower stakes (up to NL100).
      Even nits go sometimes grazy. One guy told me that in DoN SNG he was with KK against a real nit and folded to nits shove. He then showed Q8o him... :f_confused:
      Btw you can always hit your K :D
      Actually I think it's "easier" to fold KK on lower stakes. When I was playing NL10 NL25 I almost ALWAYS got to see AA. But now when I played NL100-200 I would never ever EVER fold KK pre. My advice is if you got that REALLY strong feeling he got AA, yes you could fold. But just on lower stakes. Never on higher. For 200 bb you can 4bet fold I guess.
    • saxemephone
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      I almost folded yesterday

      NL25, BU was a nit who had 3bet once over 300 hands, but I just couldn't do it...one or both of UTG+1 and MP1 were huge fish (don't remember if it was one or both) so if BU ever opened up and 4bet QQ or AK there folding would be terrible...

      UTG+2: $10.00
      MP1: $123.81
      MP2: $19.60
      MP3: $5.35
      Hero (CO): $34.75
      BTN: $23.45
      SB: $8.80
      BB: $17.61
      UTG: $5.75
      UTG+1: $32.18

      Pre Flop: ($0.40) Hero is CO with K :heart: K :club:
      1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.90, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.90, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.00, BTN raises to $9.00, 4 folds, Hero raises to $29.20, BTN calls $14.45 all in

      Flop: ($49.10) Q :diamond: 6 :spade: 5 :diamond:

      Turn: ($49.10) 2 :heart:

      River: ($49.10) T :heart:

      Final Pot: $49.10
      Hero shows K :heart: K :club:
      BTN shows A :heart: A :spade:
      BTN wins $46.65
      (Rake: $2.45)