Is luck 100%?

    • harishbuk67
      harishbuk67
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      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 8
      I did everything by the book, or so I think. Waited for all the right hands....but they always get me on the river. Why? The whole week.....I've had nothing but bad luck. Maybe poker is just not my game...I give up.
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    • vilmantas
      vilmantas
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      Joined: 01.07.2009 Posts: 22
      Today I lost my bankroll because some dumb donks pushed me in before the flop and I had aces. I lost every single time against hands like QQ KK JJ AK and so on... now when I get aces I know I am going to lose.

      (Accepting donations at FTP)
    • fun101rockets
      fun101rockets
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      Joined: 01.06.2008 Posts: 1,162
      vilma brm?
    • harishbuk67
      harishbuk67
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      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 8
      I know exactly what you mean. Why do I wait for AA KK AK QQ JJ? when I know it's a losing hand? I've had more luck with 85, 74, T9, 69 etc and even 22.....
      I don't want to break the rules of poker but it seems to me the rule is breaking me/us.
    • Gnostradamus
      Gnostradamus
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      Joined: 06.03.2008 Posts: 54
      :s_cry: BooHoo :f_cry:

      Bank Roll Management people.

      And asking for charity is frowned upon.
    • vladd20
      vladd20
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      Joined: 22.10.2008 Posts: 3,735
      you should deposit your own money and start playing 8 5 or the other hands you want :s_biggrin:
    • harishbuk67
      harishbuk67
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      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 8
      Ermm...yeah...i have deposited my own money. Why even think I haven't?
    • vilmantas
      vilmantas
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      Joined: 01.07.2009 Posts: 22
      I lost my first 50$ quite some time ago, but 2 days ago I won a freeroll (20c) and made it to 20$ in 2 days. I installed pokertracker only today so it won't really tell the story. By the way my friend can't transfer me $ on FTP any information would be appreciated. I know I should have stopped playing but I did everything right. That's what keeps me playing poker.

      Few of my "lucky" hands from today:


      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $1.18
      CO:
      $2.45
      BU:
      $0.91
      SB:
      $5.95
      BB(Hero):
      $3.63
      MP2:
      $4.95


      Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
      2 folds, CO calls $0.05, BU calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BU raises to $0.91, SB raises to $3.55, Hero raises to $3.68, SB calls $0.10.

      Flop: ($8.22) 4, 6, 6 (3 players)


      Turn: ($8.22) J (3 players)


      River: ($8.22) K (3 players)


      Final Pot: $8.22.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, aces and sixs(A A).
      SB shows a full-house, kings full of sixs(K K).
      BU shows a pair of sixs(9 7).

      SB wins with a full-house, kings full of sixs(K K).

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $7.94
      BU:
      $4.88
      SB(Hero):
      $1.23
      BB:
      $5.11
      MP3:
      $6.99


      Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A.
      CO posts deadblind, MP3 raises to $0.19, CO calls $0.19, BU folds, Hero raises to $1.23, BB folds, MP3 calls $1.04, CO folds.

      Flop: ($2.72) 9, 9, Q (2 players)


      Turn: ($2.72) J (2 players)


      River: ($2.72) 9 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $2.72.
      Results follow:

      MP3 shows a full-house, queens full of nines(Q Q).
      Hero shows a full-house, nines full of aces(A A).

      MP3 wins with a full-house, queens full of nines(Q Q).


      The 2nd one was played a lot worse than the first one. It happened few minutes after the previous one, I believe I was under an effect of tilt.

      EDIT: I have a bunch of hands like these from today if you want something to laugh at.

      One more before I go to bed:
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $15/$30 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $1650.00
      BU:
      $1440.00
      SB:
      $1440.00
      BB:
      $1500.00
      UTG1:
      $1470.00
      UTG2:
      $1500.00
      MP1:
      $1500.00
      MP2:
      $1500.00
      MP3(Hero):
      $1500.00


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6, 6.
      UTG1 calls $30.00, UTG2 folds, MP1 raises to $135.00, MP2 folds, Hero calls $135.00, 5 folds.

      Flop: ($345) 6, 8, 7 (2 players)
      MP1 bets $400.00, Hero raises to $1,365.00(All-In), MP1 calls $965.00(All-In).

      Turn: ($3075) A (2 players)


      River: ($3075) T (2 players)
      t Hold'em (6 handed) [/B]

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $1.18
      CO:
      $2.45
      BU:
      $0.91
      SB:
      $5.95
      BB(Hero):
      $3.63
      MP2:
      $4.95


      Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
      2 folds, CO calls $0.05, BU calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BU raises to $0.91, SB raises to $3.55, Hero raises to $3.68, SB calls $0.10.

      Flop: ($8.22) 4, 6, 6 (3 players)


      Turn: ($8.22) J (3 players)


      River: ($8.22) K (3 players)


      Final Pot: $8.22.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, aces and sixs(A A).
      SB shows a full-house, kings full of sixs(K K).
      BU shows a pair of sixs(9 7).

      SB wins with a full-house, kings full of sixs(K K).

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $7.94
      BU:
      $4.88
      SB(Hero):
      $1.23
      BB:
      $5.11
      MP3:
      $6.99


      Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A.
      CO posts deadblind, MP3 raises to $0.19, CO calls $0.19, BU folds, Hero raises to $1.23, BB folds, MP3 calls $1.04, CO folds.

      Flop: ($2.72) 9, 9, Q (2 players)


      Turn: ($2.72) J (2 players)


      River: ($2.72) 9 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $2.72.
      Results follow:

      MP3 shows a full-house, queens full of nines(Q Q).
      Hero shows a full-house, nines full of aces(A A).

      MP3 wins with a full-house, queens full of nines(Q Q).


      The 2nd one was played a lot worse than the first one. It happened few minutes after the previous one, I believe I was under an effect of tilt.

      EDIT: I have a bunch of hands like these from today if you want something to laugh at.

      Oh I forgot to show my favorite ( I know it's a dumb play but it was 0.25$ sng for a daily dollar tournament entry and I knew that people will call me with anything):

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $25/$50 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $2740.00
      MP3:
      $1450.00
      CO:
      $1380.00
      BU:
      $1060.00
      SB:
      $575.00
      BB:
      $1420.00
      UTG2:
      $1800.00
      MP1(Hero):
      $3075.00


      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, A.
      UTG2 raises to $100.00, Hero raises to $3,075.00(All-In), 3 folds, BU calls $1,060.00(All-In), 3 folds.

      Flop: ($4310) T, K, 2 (2 players)


      Turn: ($4310) K (2 players)


      River: ($4310) T (2 players)


      Final Pot: $4310.

      Today is not my day.
    • Zemnieks11
      Zemnieks11
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      Joined: 23.07.2009 Posts: 567
      You played them right..pre flop it is 81%/19% so you even should loose like every 5th time to a weaker pair! If you will continue to play like this you will make some profit..it just takes time and pateince and brm every one have bad beats and downswing and you are in one!
    • harishbuk67
      harishbuk67
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      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 8
      One good thing is I suppose, I'm losing small during my bad beats. We'll see when it's over. I know i have to lose sometimes but hopefully win more and I accept that. But during a whole week, it's not really the money but what it does to ones confidence. And I suppose building that confidence so it does not tilt is probably part of the process. Right ppl?
    • suvalgysiu
      suvalgysiu
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      Joined: 09.06.2007 Posts: 307
      Originally posted by harishbuk67
      I did everything by the book, or so I think. Waited for all the right hands....but they always get me on the river. Why? The whole week.....I've had nothing but bad luck. Maybe poker is just not my game...I give up.
      Originally posted by harishbuk67
      I know exactly what you mean. Why do I wait for AA KK AK QQ JJ? when I know it's a losing hand? I've had more luck with 85, 74, T9, 69 etc and even 22.....
      I don't want to break the rules of poker but it seems to me the rule is breaking me/us.
      I rest my case.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      move up to where they respect your raises
    • Berzerger
      Berzerger
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      Joined: 24.03.2008 Posts: 910
      Originally posted by harishbuk67
      I did everything by the book, or so I think. Waited for all the right hands....but they always get me on the river. Why? The whole week.....I've had nothing but bad luck. Maybe poker is just not my game...I give up.
      This might not make you feel better, but I just want to push the facts in your face regardless of the outcome. It's very arrogant to believe that luck, your platform or whatever kind of higher power is intelligent and purposely selected you as a victim. Variance can destroy your confidence, but only if you choose it to. If you convince yourself you're not a winning player, you sure as hell won't be one.

      Also, you didn't do everything by the book. Implying otherwise would mean claiming that you play perfect poker and have no leaks. If you actually let variance make you believe that you can be a winner by playing like the fish who suck out on you, it's time for a prompt end to you poker career. However, there's an old but useful Dutch proverb: winners are losers who didn't give up.
    • harishbuk67
      harishbuk67
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      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 8
      Fair comments. I respect that. You are right in what you are saying "winners are losers who don't give up." And I never give up, hence probably why I succeed in most other activities in life. However, poker is the one that i find most frustrating. Also in saying I did everything by the book, well that was probably not the way to put it. I followed the instructions and probably didn't play my own game. And until I make it my own, it will never come out right. Just like a song, you have to make it your own before it sounds right.

      Thanks for the wise words. A friend is one that points you in the right direction no matter what.....

      Here's to future success to all of us on PS.
    • PocketAcesJohn
      PocketAcesJohn
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      Joined: 19.06.2008 Posts: 1,116
      Originally posted by harishbuk67
      Maybe poker is just not my game...I give up.

      Originally posted by harishbuk67
      Fair comments. I respect that. You are right in what you are saying "winners are losers who don't give up." And I never give up, hence probably why I succeed in most other activities in life.
      LOVE IT!!! :s_o: :s_confused: :s_biggrin:
    • amitkessel
      amitkessel
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      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 8
      You know big players know when to fold big hands. Having AA isn't always a guaranteed win...
    • harishbuk67
      harishbuk67
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      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 8
      You know big players know when to fold big hands. Having AA isn't always a guaranteed win...

      Yep....indeed.

      You peeps are great. With your advices, I think I stand a chance. Perseverance I think is the word I'm looking for. :-)
    • vilmantas
      vilmantas
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      Joined: 01.07.2009 Posts: 22
      Dude, it was pre flop all in. Show me a guy who fold AA pre flop and I will show you an idiot.
    • Berzerger
      Berzerger
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      Joined: 24.03.2008 Posts: 910
      Originally posted by vilmantas
      Dude, it was pre flop all in. Show me a guy who fold AA pre flop and I will show you an idiot.
      Kindly point out the idiot, I'm intrigued.


      $53 NLH Double up
      Cake Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - 20/40 Blinds - 10 players

      code:
      SB:   1500
      BB:   1500
      UTG1: 1500
      UTG2: 1500
      UTG3: 1500
      MP1:  1500
      MP2:  1500
      MP3:  1500
      CO:   1500
      BU:   1500


      Pre Flop: (60) Hero is CO with A :heart: A :club:
      UTG1 raises to 1500, UTG2 calls 1500, UTG3 calls 1500, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, hero folds
    • vilmantas
      vilmantas
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      Joined: 01.07.2009 Posts: 22
      Well the odds were still in hero's favor so he has +ev. Am I wrong? Although I understand not wanting to gamble.

      EDIT: damn, still thinking about this one. Kind of weird situation.
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