The Wildbeans Challenge

    • WildBeans
      WildBeans
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      Since I didn't win the apartment in gibraltar, nor the trip to vegas I've decided that I need a challenge to keep my mind happy.

      This challenge has been done before in a slightly different manner, I can't remember who was doing it (I have some ideas but I'm not going to guess).

      Essentially it's turning ftps into cash. I don't feel like long grinds, so I'm going to have two attempts.

      With 40k ftps I am going to play 9 person, 1800 ftp sngs to win $24 tourney tokens. Then I will use these token to win some cash.

      Now I don't think it's that profitable on only a few tourney tokens to go play large MTTs, so that's out for me. However I do like a good 90 person sit n go.

      My aim is to win $500. I think this is difficult but possible. It's just large enough that I need to focus, and not too large that I get disillusioned at any stage. In fact if I win 1 sng then I will win more than that.. However winning and final tabling are two different beasts..

      So this is my challenge:

      Two attempts.

      Each attempt I will use up to 20k ftps to try and win tourney tokens (during the week), then in 1 session I will play as many 90 person sngs on Full Tilt as I have tokens in an attempt to total $500..

      Wish me good luck..
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    • WildBeans
      WildBeans
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      In fact I've already started on this.. (and only just decided to make a blog about it)

      So far I've used around 18k ftps, and I've been really lucky and made 6 tourney tokens.. I have one more attempt to get one more, but it's not important.

      My first session I will play tomorrow night while I'm playing the iron man freeroll.

      6 sngs gives me a lot of hope...
    • WildBeans
      WildBeans
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      Alright..
      Games played: 6 x $24+2 90 man turbo knockout sngs on fulltilt

      Results:


      Plus I got 7 knockouts, which is $21

      Money won: $564

      Coming top 5 in 3/6 tourneys is really very good. I'm quite happy with it, especially since I've made what I hoped for. I'll still do the second session to see if I can top this... maybe get a 1st place, but even if not, this has been a success, turning nothing (just about nothing) into over $500... (besides being really good for my bankroll)

      [oh yeah, and I made it into the money in that iron man freeroll for $75]


      edit:realised it was 7 knockouts as well
    • WildBeans
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      Here's one of the hands that helped (I was running nicely):


      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 26 Tournament, 1200/2400 Blinds 300 Ante (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      SB (t22095)
      BB (t4890)
      UTG (t31740)
      UTG+1 (t5868)
      Hero (MP1) (t9675)
      MP2 (t21130)
      MP3 (t48632)
      CO (t85185)
      Button (t40785)

      Hero's M: 1.54

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9, 9
      2 folds, Hero bets t9375 (All-In), 2 folds, CO calls t9375, 1 fold, SB raises to t21795 (All-In), BB calls t2190 (All-In), CO calls t12420

      Flop: (t60255) 9, A, 8 (4 players, 3 all-in)

      Turn: (t60255) 9 (4 players, 3 all-in)

      River: (t60255) Q (4 players, 3 all-in)

      Total pot: t60255

      Results:
      SB had J, A (two pair, Aces and nines).
      BB had 4, 3 (one pair, nines).
      Hero had 9, 9 (four of a kind, nines).
      CO had Q, K (two pair, Queens and nines).
      Outcome: SB won t24840, Hero won t35415
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Man, that's a result! Shortest challenge ever!

      Nice work sir! :s_cool:
    • WildBeans
      WildBeans
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      Ha, yeah I know. New challenge is just to see how far I can take it...

      Here's a hand I played near the end of one of them:

      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 26 Tournament, 3000/6000 Blinds 750 Ante (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      BB (t38732)
      UTG (t45610)
      MP (t101460)
      Button (t29252)
      Hero (SB) (t54946)

      [color:#009B00]Hero's M: 4.31[/color]

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 8
      [color:#CC3333]UTG bets t24750[/color], [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises to t54196 (All-In)[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], UTG calls t20110 (All-In)

      Flop: (t99470) 3, Q, 9 [color:#009B00](2 players, 2 all-in)[/color]

      Turn: (t99470) 4 [color:#009B00](2 players, 2 all-in)[/color]

      River: (t99470) 7 [color:#009B00](2 players, 2 all-in)[/color]

      Total pot: t99470

      Results below: [color:#FFFFFF]
      Hero had 8, 8 (one pair, eights).
      UTG had 10, 10 (one pair, tens).
      Outcome: UTG won t99470[/color]

      I think this is quite standard, however I'm not sure how much I like it. The villain had been pretty tight even at this late stage. Of course he is quite short so he has to push quite wide, and I'm also quite short so I have to call with any decent holding.
      However, I don't really like it mainly because there is no fold equity. He must have something he's really happy with getting called on if he's not pushing directly, and it's obvious he's not folding to a reraise. Therefore he must surely have a hand that is 88+, maybe AQ+, since other hands I imagine he would push directly so as to preserve fold equity.. So I'm more likely dominated..
      However the thing that makes it almost a no-brainer (I think, and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that if I win I automatically go up a place and am guaranteed more money, as well as the fact that I only have 8ish blinds...

      Any opinions?
    • Atoks
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      As I've never played on FTP I don't really know this tournament so if u could post about the prize distribution that'd be very helpful for my recommendation.

      Ur right about his raise, for me such moves always narrow an opponents range. It's almost trapping by offering the other players an opportunity to get their chips in with better pot odds. However without a solid read it's difficult to lay down pocket88 for me. Ur stack is not that awful with 9BB so if u are sure that he is doing this with a range of AK, 88+ then I can't blame u for folding. While the extra chips increase the chance of u winning a better prize I don't think 30% equity is enough for a call here.
    • WildBeans
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      umm, prize distribution for top 4 places is
      1st - 32%
      2nd - 19.5%
      3rd - 14%
      4th - 11%
      prize pool is $1800, each knockout is $4

      Thanks for the input. I think you're right that without a read you can't say much about his move... I know guys like Jonathan Little do the same thing with their worst hands so that people will get scared and perhaps fold hands like 88..

      (edit: and top 9 get paid)
    • WildBeans
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      While I'm waiting for session two, I think I'm going to play a side challenge.

      I think what I'm going to do now is use the bankroll to play only MTT sngs and see how far I can take it. It's clearly not enough if we're playing with bankroll management so it's quite a risky vibe if that were the only amount I was going to use unless I only played $6 mtt sng's.. However I don't want to grind, but I also don't want to lose it all (for the sake of tangible results to the challenge)...

      So: I will play a mixture of $12 and $24 mtt sngs up to the value of $564 (of course over a number of sessions) and see if I can at least double this amount.

      I'll most likely play in sessions of 3x$24;s and 3x$12's.. Which means each session costs me $117.. I'll have almost 5 of these sessions.

      Once I've played the five sessions I will reevaluate to see how much I've made/lost (obviously if I don't come in the money at all then I've lost the side challenge) and if I still have money I'll play as many more sessions as possible (then reevaluate again).
    • WildBeans
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      hmmm these challenges are a little too easy.

      I came 4th in a $12 90 person MTT, and I came 1st in a $24 one...
      so that'a $99 + $576
      I also got 13 knockouts in $24's and 10 knockouts in $12's which is another $52 + $20 = $72


      for a grand total of: +$747
    • WildBeans
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      In the last session I was a little bit more aggressive when the blinds were high. I didn't want to get too low on chips. This was probably the loosest hand, do you think it's a little too loose?

      edit: I was lying down to sleep when I remembered why I marked this hand to be posted. When I saw it now I did think it was quite loose, and when I played it I thought it was quite loose. But the reason I did it was that the big blind was stupidly tight and I thought I would have a good chance of winning the blinds by pushing into him. however if I waited one more hand the big blind would have been very loose and I only had 6/7 blinds so I would possibly have wanted to push a very wide range in the next hand... I think it's an interesting consideration

      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 26 Tournament, 400/800 Blinds 100 Ante (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      Hero (MP1) (t5630)
      MP2 (t6225)
      CO (t19300)
      Button (t14448)
      SB (t11539)
      BB (t10288)
      UTG (t11830)

      Hero's M: 2.96

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7, 8
      1 fold, Hero bets t5530 (All-In), 5 folds

      Total pot: t2700
    • WildBeans
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      I was also lucky at times:

      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 13 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      SB (t5080)
      BB (t2660)
      UTG (t2695)
      Hero (UTG+1) (t2385)
      MP1 (t6615)
      MP2 (t4320)
      CO (t6320)
      Button (t7790)

      Hero's M: 15.90

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, K
      UTG calls t100, Hero bets t450, 3 folds, Button calls t450, 2 folds, UTG calls t350

      Flop: (t1500) 3, 6, A (3 players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets t1000, Button raises to t7340 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls t935 (All-In)

      Turn: (t5370) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: (t5370) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: t5370

      Results:
      Button had 6, 6 (full house, sixes over Aces).
      Hero had A, K (full house, Aces over Kings).
      Outcome: Hero won t5370
    • NickParkes
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      Hey Wildbeans

      You're running really nicely atm, enjoy it!

      for the 78o hand, you have to shove it there, with m=2.96 you have to push before the blinds to maintain FE, so, no, not loose at all, folding would be too tight there...
    • WildBeans
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      Couldn't sleep so went for the second session..

      I'm still have 2 tables to go, but things haven't gone so well (1 table I just lost pocket 77 to KK taking my 7 blinds down to 2 and then 66 to 77 knocking me out)
      In one of the $24 tourneys I was top 5 chip stacks the whole way through until this hand.. I think I just have to fold, I really really really didn't want to, but this guy had just moved to the table and I know nothing about him except that he can knock me out:

      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 26 Tournament, 300/600 Blinds 75 Ante (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      MP1 (t15493)
      Hero (MP2) (t11560)
      CO (t7950)
      Button (t3360)
      SB (t4225)
      BB (t8960)
      UTG (t11165)

      Hero's M: 8.11

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, Q
      1 fold, MP1 calls t600, Hero bets t3225, 4 folds, MP1 raises to t15418 (All-In), 1 fold

      Total pot: t7875

      Results:
      MP1 didn't show
      Outcome: MP1 won t7875


      Then I carry on playing well hanging in there and I get another setup. The only reads I have about this guy is that he does raise often, but I saw him play 1 limp/call.. I just don't think I have the stack size to let it go...
      But it was a fun board: You guys must have seen that mad 1st hand of a WSOP main event where this actor is going up against Sam Farha.. same hand, looks good for me but I still lose :f_frown:

      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 26 Tournament, 500/1000 Blinds 125 Ante (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      MP (t18618)
      Hero (CO) (t8763)
      Button (t26530)
      SB (t6114)
      BB (t11460)
      UTG (t17065)

      Hero's M: 3.89

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, A
      UTG calls t1000, 1 fold, Hero bets t8638 (All-In), 3 folds, UTG calls t7638

      Flop: (t19526) A, 10, 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Turn: (t19526) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: (t19526) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total pot: t19526

      Results:
      UTG had A, A (full house, Aces over tens).
      Hero had 10, A (full house, tens over Aces).
      Outcome: UTG won t19526


      yes! I just beat QQ with 99.. In a $12 a guy raised in mp I picked up 99, I went all in and the button called and so did the original raiser.. raiser had AJ button QQ, flop to turn blanks, river 9 !!! So now I till have hope of salvaging this session slightly..
    • WildBeans
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      My return from nowhere in the final chance in the session:

      first hand final table: have to call - pot odds


      MP1 (t23110)
      MP2 (t59156)
      MP3 (t22784)
      CO (t10791)
      Button (t33330)
      SB (t46963)
      Hero (BB) (t36116)
      UTG (t26852)
      UTG+1 (t10898)

      Hero's M: 6.88

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, K
      1 fold, UTG+1 bets t10648 (All-In), 6 folds, Hero calls t8648

      Flop: (t24546) 5, 3, 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Turn: (t24546) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: (t24546) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total pot: t24546

      Results:
      Hero had 4, K (straight, five high).
      UTG+1 had 7, J (high card, Ace).
      Outcome: Hero won t24546

      Now a few guys get busted and I have a tiny stack, but the big blind guy is such a weak player that he gives me free cash to stay in. Watch this:

      Second hand:


      MP (t74202)
      Button (t72156)
      SB (t25330)
      BB (t87599)
      Hero (UTG) (t10713)

      Hero's M: 1.65

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, 5
      Hero bets t10313 (All-In), 4 folds

      Total pot: t9500

      Results:
      Hero didn't show A, 5.
      Outcome: Hero won t9500

      Third hand, in my free orbit another guy got busted so I've moved up the money list, and now I get the same deal:

      Button (t145558)
      SB (t25730)
      BB (t87599)
      Hero (UTG) (t11113)

      Hero's M: 1.82

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5, A
      Hero bets t10713 (All-In), 3 folds

      Total pot: t9100

      Results:
      Hero didn't show 5, A.
      Outcome: Hero won t9100


      And so in the next orbit I go up in the money list again:


      BB (t144758)
      UTG (t23430)
      Button (t88399)
      Hero (SB) (t13413)

      Hero's M: 2.20

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, Q
      UTG bets t23030 (All-In), Button raises to t87999 (All-In), 2 folds

      Flop: (t52160) A, 7, A (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Turn: (t52160) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: (t52160) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: t52160

      Results:
      Button had J, J (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
      UTG had K, Q (one pair, Aces).
      Outcome: Button won t52160



      Finally I bust in 3rd with 2 pair against a flush four spades on the board. Would prefer the win, but I feel like I got so much free money..
    • WildBeans
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      Okay so I busted out of 5 of the games, but came 3rd in one of the $12. I also got three $4 knockouts and four $2 knockouts.

      Total: $146

      Which is fine because it means that I got a return on the investment.

      (By the way, at the end of the side challenge I will have used up the whole $576 from the main challenge and the sum of the totals will be what I have, hence I'm not subtracting the costs)

      Side challenge total so far: $893
    • WildBeans
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      End of session 3. It was alright. Had some irritating beats, like my QQ losing to AJ, and a few others, getting knocked out early in most of them. However I lucked out in some hands to stay in the hunt in a $24.. Somehow I then managed to weasel my way into second. Which is good. Means I get over 100% ROI on the session.



      Also 3 Knockouts (couldn't knock anyone out until the final table) for $12


      Side challenge total so far: $1256

      Which means I've definitely doubled the original investment, with 1 more side challenge to go (a slightly bigger session since there will be outstanding money from the original amount - 4 sessions of $117 is 469 leaving me with almost $100 to spread over $24 and $12 mtts)

      Stay tuned for some hands that took me into the final table..
    • WildBeans
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      Here is the start of my final session, first hand in my first sng:

      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 13 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      SB (t3000)
      BB (t3000)
      Hero (UTG) (t3000)
      UTG+1 (t3000)
      MP1 (t3000)
      MP2 (t3000)
      MP3 (t3000)
      CO (t3000)
      Button (t3000)

      Hero's M: 66.67

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
      Hero bets t120, UTG+1 raises to t3000 (All-In), 1 fold, MP2 calls t3000 (All-In), 5 folds, Hero calls t2880 (All-In)

      Flop: (t9045) 3, 4, 2 (3 players, 3 all-in)

      Turn: (t9045) 7 (3 players, 3 all-in)

      River: (t9045) 5 (3 players, 3 all-in)

      Total pot: t9045

      Results:
      Hero had A, A (straight, five high).
      UTG+1 had 6, 6 (straight, seven high).
      MP2 had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
      Outcome: UTG+1 won t9045


      In the end it went well. But only in the end really:





      So Side Challenge 4th session I played five $24's and six $12 to make a total of $208 spent, but money returned was $414 plus thirteen KO's @ $2 each for $26.. Total: $436
    • WildBeans
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      In total I wagered $559 (the results of the Main Challenge session 1)

      Total 90 person Turbo KO MTT SnGs played:
      17 x $24+2
      18 x $12+1

      Total returned $1692

      Around about $900 came from $24's and therefore around 800 from $12. So it seems that my return on $12 was a bit better.. Probably because I finished ITM more.. quite a few 2nd-5th places..

      Profit = $1133

      Total ROI: 202%


      I was hoping to make a 100% ROI, just doubling the money, but instead I tripled it. I really think that's a fantastic result.
    • NickParkes
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      It is a great result... nicely done!
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