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A mistake in the Articles...

    • AlfNet
      Joined: 26.12.2008 Posts: 20
      On the "Odds and Outs - How should you play your draws" article, under SnG Bronze Level, you can read at the bottom in the first example:

      Pre-flop: Hero is SB with Qh, Kh.
      UTG calls t20, 2 folds, MP2 calls t20, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

      Flop: (t80) 5c, Tc, Js (4 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets t60, MP2 calls t60, Hero calls t60.

      You hit an OESD on the flop and have 8 outs. The probability of completing on the turn is 17%; your odds are app. 5:1. There are t200 in the pot and it will cost t60 to call, giving you app. 3:1 pot odds.

      However, with 3 opponents in the hand you can't necessarily depend on the Ac and 9c, since they could give one of your opponents a flush. For this reason, you give yourself 7 outs.

      You would complete your straight on the turn one in seven times. Since, however, these 60 chips only make up a very small portion of you stack and you can certainly expect to win more if you do complete, you can call.
      I'm either missing something or that probably should be 6 outs, no?
  • 5 replies
    • lennonac
      Joined: 02.05.2009 Posts: 1,421
      We are taking one out away for the possibility of a flush
    • AlfNet
      Joined: 26.12.2008 Posts: 20
      Yes. But you can't count on either the Ac or the 9c as outs anyway.

      I'm confused.. why take only one out away? You have Ah,As,Ac,Ad and 9h,9s,9c,9d.

      You would need one of those cards to complete your straight. But in this situation, due to the flush, you can't count on either the Ac and the 9c. That's two outs you can't count on.

      So the only outs that can make you the best hand are the Ah,As,Ad and 9h,9s,9d... which makes up to six.

    • cindy1985
      Joined: 13.11.2007 Posts: 358
      you only discount one out because the opponent don't always have the flushdraw. So it would be too conservative to discount those two flush outs. It's some kind of a way to approximate your odds in the genreal case. But if you somehow know your opponent always have the flushdraw in this situation, then you want to discount two outs, this is a particular case.
    • AlfNet
      Joined: 26.12.2008 Posts: 20
      OK Thanks.
    • Deckard33
      Joined: 20.05.2009 Posts: 80
      Wouldn't you count a K or Q on turn/river as partial outs?