[NL20-NL50] NL50 SH AQ in 3-bet pot without initiative

    • koaesica
      koaesica
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      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $52.10
      SB:
      $56.25
      BB:
      $59.20
      MP3:
      $12.05
      CO(Hero):
      $51.85


      Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q.
      MP3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BU raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.00.

      Flop: ($9.75) 6, T, J (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $6.50,

      Villain is a 14/10 with 8.3% 3-bet over 30 hands.

      I'm so unsure of how to play in 3-bet pots. I assume I should just c/f here and wait for a better board, like the nut flush or a TPTK or something like that. Do I have any options in this particular hand apart from folding?
  • 8 replies
    • delete461
      delete461
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      Fold preflop, calling any raise out of position is always a bad idea. Look at this hand from villains perspective - he is in a perfect spot. He has far more information about your hand than you have about his. He has position on you, he has initiative and can often take it down with a continuation bet. You have put your opponent in the spot you should be trying to put yourself into.
    • Alan883
      Alan883
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      3-bet range of his does not give any information to us. In such a small amount of hands.

      I really hate when villian 3 bets on my AQ. Only reads and probably A can help us:)

      I really took in consideration villians 3bet range. And if 3 bet range is 3 or less i am folding those hands OOP for sure.
    • koaesica
      koaesica
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      Him 3-betting in the BTN vs me in the CO is indeed a good spot for him. But doesn't folding AQ here seem a bit too weak? I mean that would equal folding such a huge part of my range. I don't think too many people would exploit this at these stakes, but still, AQ is a pretty strong hand.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      call pf is fine, if player is 3-betting with 8,3%, against some aggressive players you can even 4-bet and call shove with AQ
      I´d float this board, since if he has random air, AK or smt like 88 then it is very reasonable that he´d either c/c or c/f turn and then after c/c would c/f close to 90% after you shove river
    • Alan883
      Alan883
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      Villain is a 14/10 with 8.3% 3-bet over 30 hands.



      but we have only 30 hands. We really dont know about his 3 bet range after 30 hands.
    • ccookie
      ccookie
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      Joined: 01.12.2007 Posts: 68
      with all due respect to Kaitz20, his analysis assumes we have position. As we don't, it's much better to fold pre. As played, fold flop - we cannot float oop effectively. Villain can 2nd bullet with AQ, AK, or weak made hands for value (as our play hints a draw). Also we have just 3 outs to nuts and terrible reverse implied if we hit Kd / any Q or A.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by ccookie
      with all due respect to Kaitz20, his analysis assumes we have position. As we don't, it's much better to fold pre. As played, fold flop - we cannot float oop effectively. Villain can 2nd bullet with AQ, AK, or weak made hands for value (as our play hints a draw). Also we have just 3 outs to nuts and terrible reverse implied if we hit Kd / any Q or A.
      yes, my mistake.
      I thought we were ip.
      oop I´d likely would just either fold or turn my hand into bluff and 4-bet pf.
      If player is really 3-bet happy then call is not terrbile pf, since we´re often dominate his range, Axs hands, QJ+, KJs+, so if we hit top pair, we have easy decision going all-in postflop.
    • koaesica
      koaesica
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      Since he was an unknown I agree with you all, 4-bet bluff or folding pre do seem to be the better alternatives here. It's really hard to do anything else than burning money post-flop in this scenario... Thanks!