Poker Table Ratings

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    • EagleStar88
      EagleStar88
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      Joined: 06.10.2008 Posts: 7,359
      Strictly speaking it is against the rules and could end in trouble.

      This said, those that I have reported for doing this (only because they blatantly advised my stats to the whole table) appear to still be playing. Gee thanks Full Tilt, good to see you sticking to your rules.

      I personally don't think it's worth the risk though Nick, check them afterwards or on a separate laptop on a separate internet connection if you really must.

      Best regards,


      Bart
    • Irooz
      Irooz
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      Joined: 05.04.2009 Posts: 690
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    • NickParkes
      NickParkes
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      Joined: 07.07.2008 Posts: 1,526
      Cool... thought tht might be the case... not gonna bother, not worth the risk...

      Thanks guys!
    • 8979687
      8979687
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      Joined: 11.11.2008 Posts: 2,225
      Poke around on 2+2 Nick.

      The stars reps have come right out and said they no longer check the web pages that people are browsing and so
      you can not get nailed for checking shark scope and ptr.

      Full Tilt has come out during the Townsend case and said something along the lines of its not a bannable offense.

      I forget the specifics, but poke around and you can see the direct results.

      The Stars one is under the Internet section the thread is titled something like Why Stars doesnt care about PTR...

      Don't quote me on exacts just go poke and ye shall find.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello,

      So, did anyone find any information about using PTR @ stars or FTP?

      Best regards,
      Rensu
    • NickParkes
      NickParkes
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      Joined: 07.07.2008 Posts: 1,526
      OK, I did some poking around...

      This is the link to the thread -> why pokerstars ignores pokertableratings

      But this pretty much sums it up:

      PSMichaelJ
      PokerStars Game Security Specialist
      PokerStars is not ignoring PokerTableRatings, and is dedicating significant effort across a whole series of different avenues on this issue.

      We don't take any action against people who visit particular websites largely beacause members of this forum (and others) got very angry when posters became aware that we did this. So, we listened to our players and acted by disabling the function to check if people visited certain webservers, and are continuing to work to stop datamining in other ways.

      We previously had the function in our software to detect players who visited prohibited web services, but we accept that such a function could have been interpreted as a breach of player privacy. Consequently, we've changed our approach to focus on stopping the collection of hand histories at its source, rather than a mere symptom.

      It's not an easy or small challenge, but the only response to that is "Let's keep working on it." As a result of our efforts, every major tournament tracking site (including SharkScope) now offers an opt-out function to protect player privacy. There's still some way to go on datamining sites that sell hand histories, and we will continue working on it.


      It seems as though from this thread it is OK on stars but FT is kinda more uptight about it. Not sure about the recent developments that 897 mentioned from the Brian Townsend case. I think that the general consensus is checking stats etc is OK, and datamining is not...
    • 8979687
      8979687
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      Joined: 11.11.2008 Posts: 2,225
      I came across the FT one today again
      I will post it here...

      pretty much says noone gets banned for first offence data mining unless the account is made just for that
      purpose

      I will look in a while....
    • NickParkes
      NickParkes
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      Joined: 07.07.2008 Posts: 1,526
      Would be interested to see that thread... I don't really wanna use it for datamining, just looking up various players...
    • excelgeo
      excelgeo
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      Joined: 17.10.2008 Posts: 1,107
      eaglestar is right, it is against rules.

      that being said..

      hastings used a shared hand history to take 4million from isildur. what happened to him? pro status revoked for 6 months... a slap on the wrist for someone who breaks rules for the second time in a row.

      do you think they will care about your 50 bucks?
    • RahXephon1
      RahXephon1
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      Joined: 14.04.2009 Posts: 972
      Nick just don't use it when your client is open, so you'll avoid problems. I don't think it's very risky to use it even when you are playing (Heads up players use Sharskscope and PTR all the time), but since you also play MTTs I think, it would probably suck to cash big only to see Full Tilt freeze your account because you used those sites sometimes.
    • s1ndr0me
      s1ndr0me
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      Joined: 18.01.2009 Posts: 131
      I have a ptr widget in my blog. and the blogs open a lot of time i'm playing. I wonder if there would be any issues with that.
    • nafar84
      nafar84
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      Joined: 20.09.2008 Posts: 546
      Originally posted by EagleStar88
      Strictly speaking it is against the rules and could end in trouble.

      This said, those that I have reported for doing this (only because they blatantly advised my stats to the whole table) appear to still be playing. Gee thanks Full Tilt, good to see you sticking to your rules.

      I personally don't think it's worth the risk though Nick, check them afterwards or on a separate laptop on a separate internet connection if you really must.

      Best regards,


      Bart
      Yes I noticed the same thing too with the players I reported... but the other day I saw a 2+2 poster said that he was reported and received a warning from FT... so I think they did get warnings.
    • 8979687
      8979687
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      Joined: 11.11.2008 Posts: 2,225
      Ok so in final and bah I lost the post again...

      You won't get banned fore just using it...

      you will get in shit if your an idiot and start telling people their stats etc in chat.

      Or like the red pros, let it leak out that you used swapped hands.

      So just looking at the site with FTP open will not get you banned from FTP.
    • fun101rockets
      fun101rockets
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      Joined: 01.06.2008 Posts: 1,162
      8979687 is right- u probally wont get banned from ft but for me its not worth the risk (even though it is pretty low)
    • tcs35
      tcs35
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      Joined: 31.01.2009 Posts: 3,583
      If you get banned just say to them they didn't ban Brian for buying hands from PTR.
    • Navrark
      Navrark
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      Joined: 27.01.2010 Posts: 313
      Originally posted by excelgeo
      do you think they will care about your 50 bucks?
      It's true they won't care too much about the micro stakes players, but if you turn around and win a big tournament and there is any suspicion of visiting a website that tracks hand histories, you can bet they'll take your winnings away.

      Nav
    • eddiie
      eddiie
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      Joined: 23.12.2006 Posts: 52
      Originally posted by RahXephon1
      Nick just don't use it when your client is open, so you'll avoid problems. I don't think it's very risky to use it even when you are playing (Heads up players use Sharskscope and PTR all the time), but since you also play MTTs I think, it would probably suck to cash big only to see Full Tilt freeze your account because you used those sites sometimes.

      I have my client open sometimes few days in a row, dont log out and browsing PTR (but not playing at the same time) so it would be big shit if they would closed my account because of that dumb rule.
    • EndofLuck
      EndofLuck
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      Joined: 17.11.2009 Posts: 1
      As far as I know It's illegal for a software like the poker client to monitor other activities on the computer.

      One friend of mine who works in IT told me that you can even sue the company that provided you with this software and didn't supply you with the information regarding all its functions because it would be a major breach of privacy.

      Also it's illegal for them to scan your PC for running software that they banned for use.

      So in my opinion, if you feel you have an edge against your opponents if you have information about them which is anyway PUBLIC TO ANYONE I don't see any reason why you should shit your pants if you find that your poker client is on and you have PTR open in a browser.
    • LuborC
      LuborC
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      Joined: 20.04.2008 Posts: 1,243
      Originally posted by EndofLuck
      One friend of mine who works in IT told me that you can even sue the company that provided you with this software and didn't supply you with the information regarding all its functions because it would be a major breach of privacy.

      Also it's illegal for them to scan your PC for running software that they banned for use.
      No you can't. Or do you also think you can sue a friend you invited over to your house for invading you privacy? For the same reason it's perfectly fine for them to scan your PC..
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