[NL20-NL50] Nl25 Fr Kk

    • DaPhunk
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      Full Tilt Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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      CO: $29.00
      BTN: $18.13
      SB: $9.82
      BB: $11.72
      UTG: $28.80
      Hero (UTG+1): $53.49
      UTG+2: $25.56
      MP1: $55.93
      MP2: $31.42

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with K :spade: K :diamond:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, UTG+2 calls $0.75, 5 folds, BB calls $0.50

      Flop: ($2.35) 7 :heart: 9 :heart: 9 :spade: (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, UTG+2 calls $1.50, BB folds

      Turn: ($5.35) 4 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4.00, UTG+2 calls $4

      River: ($13.35) T :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $8.00, UTG+2 calls $8

      Villain is 17/6 on 541 hands, 1.0 AF.


      Thinking about it street by street would Bet/Call flop evaluate later streets, Bet/Fold turn (given he called flop), and Bet/Fold river (given he called flop+turn) be a decent line?
  • 15 replies
    • LePokerMonster
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      first of all I think that 3bb from EP with KK is WAY too less. I like to bet something original with hands like that say 7,5-9bb so it's easier to lay down on flop if the opponent hits his set or A. if you raise 3bb's then lower pocket pairs will call and even suited connectors could like their hand and play because of the good price and the implied odds. if villain is a passive calling station then this line of play was O.K only for the PF. I agree with you about playing from the flop
    • DaPhunk
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      Wow, you really are a Poker Monster, I have bee enlightened!
    • herekPL
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      Originally posted by LePokerMonsterI like to bet something original with hands like that say 7,5-9bb so it's easier to lay down on flop if the opponent hits his set or A.
      You open 9bb with KK - ok. But You always open 9bb with others hands?


      I think 4bb is ok here, postflop ok vs this guy
    • Kaitz20
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      3bb open is fine, then you can 4-bet or fold deciding what you holds and someone else 3-bets you.
      flop line is fine.
    • DaPhunk
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      thanks Kaitz
    • LePokerMonster
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      about 9bbs- I think it's better to raise strong because I already said you invite a lot of marginal hands in the nand and it's never easy to fold this type of hand on the flop even if you get c/r. In these limits there are only 10% regulars or some thinking players. I bet strong only with my strong hands but that doesn't make my play with them unprofitable. personally I'm a fan of limp/raising these type of hands although in a lot of videos and coachings I see that many players don't like that kind of play. I don't know if 44.2bb/100 is a good winrate for AA and a 21bb/100 winrate with KK. every single of these hands is played with a limp/raise(90% of the time) or a big open raise. Maybe you can tell me your winrate with these hands and if you have it a lot bigger maybe I need to change my line of play.
    • Kaitz20
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      I think it is not about winrate about KK/AA but your overall winrate at nl 25 sh
      Since you´re likely not only playing KK/AA, but also other hands
      And if it is always known that you´re limp/raising or open raising very big with KK/AA, then it is very easy to play against you, just call for set value or fold anything else and if you make normal raise, then 3-bet since you don´t hold there never KK/AA and likely don´t want to get all-in pf.
      My winrate nl 50 and nl 100 is around 3 bb
    • LePokerMonster
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      oh sorry.. the winrates ar 20 times the ones I wrote... I'm sorry... didn;t see that it's a SH table. I'm playing Full ring.. guess that makes a big difference
    • DaPhunk
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      this was an FR table, just there were several people sitting out is all.

      I'm not a fan of limp/raising at the moment as I think its just too hard to balance and I don't want to have to turn my small Pocket Pairs and maybe some other hands into bluffs by limp/3betting them. I just don't think a l/3bet is necessary at this stage for my game.

      I'd be interested to know what stake you play, what your overalll win rate is and over what sample size you have obtained it.
    • LePokerMonster
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      my overall winrate is 3bb/100 and sample size is a bit over 130k. I play Nl25 FR on full tilt
    • DaPhunk
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      not too bad, could be better but I guess you play 12+ tables at a time so 3BB/100 is pretty sweet.
    • LePokerMonster
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      3bb not 3BB (BB-big bets, bb-big blinds). I play 9 tables with stats. I kind of hit a downswing in the last couple of days... my winrate before that was like 4.5bb. what's yours?
    • DaPhunk
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      My sample size isn't every big but I too play NL25 FR on FTP.

    • Kruppe
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      move up to where they respect your 9bb open-raises, imo
    • Tampaloeres81
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      Originally posted by Kruppe
      move up to where they respect your 9bb open-raises, imo
      lol, about playing with your cards face up :f_biggrin: