AVERAGE WINNINGS for a 2 HOUR sitting using SSS

    • 1z2x3y
      1z2x3y
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      Hi can any one give me a example of the average winnings i would make
      during a 2 hour sitting on a RING TABLE at 5c / 10c ?????????????
      (SHORT STACK STRATEGY)

      alternatively, can any one give me a example of the average losses i would make during a 2 hour sitting on a RING TABLE at 5c / 10c ?????????????
      (SHORT STACK STRATEGY)

      Even just your experiences at a RING TABLE sitting of any kind using SSS
      (SHORT STACK STRATEGY)

      Thanks,

      Once i can get this info, i will be able to share the whole business/breakdown/concept of how much money can be earned from receiving the free $50 earning the required FPP's to keep it in the time frame allowed and also getting enough FPP to clear the $100 bonus after + 33% rake back
      :tongue:
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    • METALzx
      METALzx
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      Joined: 03.08.2008 Posts: 4,501
      about tree fiddy
    • 1z2x3y
      1z2x3y
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      Joined: 15.01.2010 Posts: 67
      about tree fiddy ?????????????

      What are you talking about !

      Talk english man :D
    • Teyiebuns
      Teyiebuns
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      Joined: 17.12.2009 Posts: 60
      Originally posted by METALzx
      Opened fulltilt then looked at the cashier's window..
      ... and I jizzed in my pantz.
      lol :P
    • Schnitzelfisch
      Schnitzelfisch
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      Joined: 08.11.2008 Posts: 4,952
      Hello 1z2x3y!

      After doing some research I came to a conclusion that for SSS players, a 1.5-2bb winrate should be obtainable. This means that playing at NL10 (0.05/0.10) you can make $0.15-$0.20 per 100 hands, if you only play one table and you play it for 2 hours that should be about 120 hands, maybe a few less or more, so you can earn approximately $0.18-$0.24 in 2 hours of 1-tabling SSS at NL10. Multitabling will of course increase your hourly winrate (some players even play about 24 tables of SSS simultaniously!), but we are speaking of an AVERAGE winrate. This means that in 2 hours you can still easily win or lose $10 or even more because of the variance :) . For now, I would focuse more on the learning and improving your game, as well as enjoying it. The results will come by themselves, but keep in mind: stick to bankroll management as it is the most important thing at poker!

      Regards,

      Primzi
    • wasy8
      wasy8
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      Joined: 29.01.2009 Posts: 1,507
      Originally posted by 1z2x3y
      about tree fiddy ?????????????

      What are you talking about !

      Talk english man :D
      its a twoplustwo joke
    • 1z2x3y
      1z2x3y
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      Joined: 15.01.2010 Posts: 67
      Hi Primzi,

      thank you for your intelligent response.

      And yes indeed i do have bankroll management on my mind, in fact that is
      the very reason for my original post.

      NOW I HAVE THE AVERAGE I WILL SHARE WHAT I KNOW AND HAVE WITH ALL AS I STATED.

      So here it is the break down - SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CONCEPT !



      A player’s rake is calculated per hand as the Total Rake of the hand / #
      of players dealt cards.
      Your RakeBack payment will be 33% of this Rake.

      Each player may only have one RakeBack account on the Network, and
      must use their first RakeBack account for RakeBack on the Network. You
      may not close a RakeBack account to open a second RakeBack account.
      Frequent Player Points for RakeBack players are earned at 50%
      compared to the standard rate.

      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      Ring Games: 0.5 FPP for every $1 in rake.(i.e. : 0.25 FPP for $0.5
      raked at the table)

      Tournament: 3.5 FPP for every $1 in fees.(i.e.: 1.75 FPP for $0.50 in
      tournament fee, meaning the entry fees)

      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


      ____________________________________________________________

      $1 Rake = 3 strategy points


      Receiving your $50 starting capital


      You must use your $50 starting capital within 60 days of receiving it on
      your Poker account, otherwise you will lose it.


      Once you have earned more than 2,000 Frequent Player Points* (FPPs)
      at Poker, the $50 are all yours.


      * Frequent Player Points (FPPs) are earned any time rake is taken from a
      hand. You will receive 1 FPP for every $2 in rake taken when you were
      dealt cards.
      $0.80 in rake gives you 0.4 FPPs for example. When you play
      tournaments and SnG's, you will receive 3.5 FPPs for every $1 in fees.


      Once you have received your $50, you can also start working on the
      $100 bonus.

      ____________________________________________________________

      The $100 bonus

      Payment: The bonus is paid out in $10 increments for every 167 FPPs
      you earn.

      To earn the entire $100 bonus you must collect 1,670 Frequent Player
      Points.

      90 day time limit: You have 90 days to earn as much of the $100 bonus
      as you can. If you fail to do so in the allotted time, you can keep what
      you have earned.

      You can check the status of your bonus by clicking on the cashier in the
      Poker software.

      ____________________________________________________________

      SO I HAVE TO EARN 2000 fpp / WHICH = $4000 IN RAKE AT RING TABLE /
      33% RAKE BACK = $1333 / ACCOUNT WOULD BE $50 + $1333 = $
      AVERAGE WINNINGS FROM SSS ?


      (I HAVE 60 DAYS TO DO THIS $50 FIRST STAGE OF THE BONUS)

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      THEN TO GET THE BONUS $100

      I HAVE TO EARN ANOTHER 1670 fpp / WHICH = $3340 IN RAKE AT RING
      TABLE / 33% RAKE BACK = $1113 / ACCOUNT WOULD BE $50 + $1333 +
      $100 + $1113 + $WINNINGS ? + $WINNINGS ?

      IT IS PAYED OUT IN $10 AT A TIME FOR 167 fpp

      (I HAVE 90 DAYS TO DO THIS $100 LAST STAGE OF THE BONUS)

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      EVEN IF I ONLY DONE THIS POINT SYSTEM I WOULD HAVE AT LEAST
      $2596 (THAT IS KEEP LOSSING/WINNING AND EVENTUALLY BREAKING
      EVEN ON THE $50 FREE MONEY :-)


      SO WORST CASE SENARIO IS IN 60 DAYS I EARN $1383 = $23.05c A DAY /
      $230.50c EVERY 10 DAYS (EARNINGS WITHOUT WINNINGS AT RING
      TABLE FOR $50)


      ( NEED TO GET/OR WORK OUT A WINNINGS SUM/PERCENTAGE/AVERAGE )
      FOR A 5c/ 10c ring table = 1 sitting OF 2
      HOURS/start stake $2 ???????????????????

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      ( AVERAGE WINNINGS FOR A 5c/ 10c ring table = 1 sitting OF 2
      HOURS/start stake $2 )

      courtesy of - PRIMZI


      After doing some research I came to a conclusion that for SSS players, a
      1.5-2bb winrate should be obtainable.

      This means that playing at NL10 (0.05/0.10) you can make $0.15-$0.20
      per 100 hands,

      if you only play one table and you play it for 2 hours that should be
      about 120 hands,
      maybe a few less or more, so you can earn approximately $0.18-$0.24 in
      2 hours of 1-tabling SSS at NL10.

      Multitabling will of course increase your hourly winrate
      (some players even play about 24 tables of SSS simultaniously!),
      but we are speaking of an AVERAGE winrate.

      This means that in 2 hours you can still easily win or lose $10 or even
      more because of the variance.

      For now, I would focuse more on the learning and improving your game,
      as well as enjoying it.

      The results will come by themselves,

      but keep in mind: stick to bankroll management as it is the most
      important thing at poker!
    • METALzx
      METALzx
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      Joined: 03.08.2008 Posts: 4,501
      tl;dr

      2000fpp at cake is like $220 in rake if I'm right (at least on FR) not 4000 :f_cool: .

      If you want intelligent replies do intelligent posts (less ??? less capslock etc..)

      Regards.
    • 1z2x3y
      1z2x3y
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      Joined: 15.01.2010 Posts: 67
      ok thank you, it is my first postings and i copied and pasted the above from my notepad after working it out.

      However i believe you are wrong on the 2000 fpp

      $220 IN RAKE = 110 FPP

      you only get 0.5 (half) a fpp per dollar

      So it is a simple matter doubling

      as for FR) i dont know what that is ?

      Cheers

      great if you could elaborate
    • lennonac
      lennonac
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      Joined: 02.05.2009 Posts: 1,421
      you need to remember that 1-2bb/100 is average for a GOOD player
    • 1z2x3y
      1z2x3y
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      Joined: 15.01.2010 Posts: 67
      THE AVERAGE FOR ANY PLAYER DOES NOT REALLY MATTER

      it is just to get a idea of the winnings , not the rake back which is what i was talking on

      if you only break even but clear the bonus
    • 1z2x3y
      1z2x3y
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      Joined: 15.01.2010 Posts: 67
      Hi lennonac ,

      You need to realise and remember that it is a big ocean that we are all in
      and you have to find me first let alone then catch me.

      LMAO

      :spade: :heart: :diamond: :club:

      :tongue:
    • lennonac
      lennonac
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      Joined: 02.05.2009 Posts: 1,421
      I dont mean to be rude but you asked what an average win rate was for two hours not how many hands can i play to clear the bonus.

      If you want to clear the bonus quickly the play loads of hands the win rate is not important.
    • 1z2x3y
      1z2x3y
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      Joined: 15.01.2010 Posts: 67
      Hi again lennonac,

      It's all cool, was my misunderstanding on your post below:
      you need to remember that 1-2bb/100 is average for a GOOD player

      __________________
      Im going to eat you little fishy

      I thought you wrote this little fishy part as a brag,but now realise
      it is all over your blog

      By the way i have put it into my favs,
      also have left you a post there,please check it out.

      It will make a intresting read i hope.

      On your last post to me
      (just to clear things up between us)

      I think maybe you are misunderstanding what i was saying

      If you look thru the whole thread,you will see that it is about how much
      cash i would have if i only cleared the FPP bonus for $50 free
      and then the extra $100 and breaking even on the £50 free at the end of getting the bonus

      The cash i would have would be the $150 bonus + rakeback,so i was just intrested in the average so i could then add it to my whole cash sum and
      therefore know that i could make exactly $2596 on rake + the average

      I asked about the average (AND YOU POINTED OUT IT IS A AVERAGE FOR A GOOD PLAYER) Thank you for that,it was indeed invaluable for without it i would of had incomplete knowledge and understanding

      The reply about the average was from primzi and he choose to mention the rough hand amounts played, i never considered this neither did i wish too thou, but it is welcomed response - just not in my equation

      I will be following you on your blog
      (forgive me if i left the post in a strange place - first time user)

      Cheers,

      Best of luck 2 u :spade: :heart: :diamond: :club: :D :s_biggrin:
    • lennonac
      lennonac
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      Joined: 02.05.2009 Posts: 1,421
      I understand now, just a misunderstanding on both parts i feel.

      I have read your message in my blog and i will reply later, thanks for that.

      I hope you are ready to get very very good at poker :D
    • METALzx
      METALzx
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      Joined: 03.08.2008 Posts: 4,501
      For each dollar raked at your table you earn 1 FPP = FR -> you earn 9fpp for your $1 rake, at sh you earn 6fpp for your $1 rake.

      Before playing a teacher learn the facts.
    • 1z2x3y
      1z2x3y
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      Joined: 15.01.2010 Posts: 67
      Hi METALzx,

      firstly i am not trying to play teacher
      ( that's your thoughts - not my intention neither actions )

      I originally posted a question, so as i could then post what
      i understood and had worked out on a business plan structure
      breakdown, for everyones benefit (especially begginers)

      Secondly i have the rake system from authority
      I.E. i emailed the support from the poker client

      So anyone reading this, i can guarantee that if you have a rakeback %
      deal going on with your cake poker then you only get 50% of the FPP's
      instead of the usual 100%
      50% = 0.5 half a point
      100% = 1 point

      If you look at METALzx post above + there last one above that you will
      see how wrong the maths are.

      And if you read all the post's from everyone except METALzx
      then you will see that it all makes simple sense

      FACT

      Thanks ;(
    • arisko
      arisko
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      Joined: 23.09.2009 Posts: 392
      I don't get why you call this a business plan? You can not just take average winnings, since the one who will actually have a good sample size will be someone who has played NL10 very much (otherwise it's not trustworthy info), therefore he/she will probably be a much better player than these beginners to whom you are writing the business plan.

      An athlete can't make up a business plan for how many 1st,2nd and 3rd places he will get during a year.

      Of course you can complete this quest since maybe it will feel good for you, but otherwise I'm just saying, try not to make poker into business, intead, get busy playing (and studying). Then you will be sure to make money, how much you make is not relevant.
    • 1z2x3y
      1z2x3y
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      Joined: 15.01.2010 Posts: 67
      Hi arisko,
      thank you for your contribution

      And you are right in what you say

      Allow me to explain why i call it a business plan
      (maybe bad choice of words)

      it is actual Bankroll Managment
      understanding all the parts that then make the whole

      I wanted to work out, if i started with only the $50
      and cleared the needed FPP's in the time frame
      in order to keep the $50 + winnings/losses ?

      Then went on to clear the needed FPP's in the time frame
      in order to get the $100 bonus + winnings/losses ?

      How long would it take and how much cash would there be if i
      broke even on the $50 and the $100

      Remember this is for using SSS on ring table

      in order to get the needed FPP's, i would have to play a lot of tables and
      poker :D :spade: :heart: :diamond: :club:

      The cash i would have after playing and clearing all FPP's
      + 33% rakeback = $2596 and could take 3 to 5 months
      (there is no winnings added to this for it is ??????????)

      So i would at least have that in my account,then i could use that and go up
      more levels.

      I wish to do this (the above TO ADD strategy and structure to the game i already have.

      I've been playing online poker for 1 year almost now so NO i am no pro,just was working out the concept of this program and if it is possible

      YOU know what after putting it all together I KNOW THAT IT IS
      + it is worth doing and i would suggest to anyone who is just starting study & practice the basic stratrgies BEFORE you even receive you free $50
      because once you have received it you have 60 days to earn you Fpp's from the poker client of your choice in order to keep the $50

      Good luck :s_biggrin:
    • shivas80
      shivas80
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      Joined: 24.12.2008 Posts: 573
      Bankroll management is not about what u win, or how much u win... bankroll management is about playing at limits u can afford to play with your bankroll.

      Donno numbers of FPP for rake $... but 4000$ rake sounds like WHOAH.. of sum at NL10

      Donno how u calculate, but for example this year i played only 2000 hands and made only 19$ rake for pokerroom... no, not for myself... just for poker room, and im playing BSS at 6max tables.

      Stop worry about bonuses... becoz bonus whoring is good only when ur good player... if u just starting... play with your 50$ as your only money with your A game, playing B C or even D game for bonus whoring sometimes ends up with... clearing bonus to cover losses :D

      GL at the tables.
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