[NL20-NL50] NL50 FR KK river decision

    • Gabinr1
      Gabinr1
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.04.2009 Posts: 7,755
      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      MP1:
      $85.40
      MP2:
      $179.35
      MP3:
      $105.60
      CO:
      $83.80
      BU(Hero):
      $53.50
      SB:
      $27.35
      BB:
      $101.30
      UTG1:
      $50.00
      UTG2:
      $59.10


      Preflop: Hero is BU with K, K.
      UTG1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, MP3 raises to $1.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $4.50, 3 folds, MP3 calls $3.00.

      Flop: ($10.25) 3, A, 5 (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $6.00, MP3 raises to $12.00, Hero calls $6.00.

      Turn: ($34.25) T (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero checks.

      River: ($34.25) A (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $11.00



      Should I take free showdown? Or I should bet for value?

      His line seems like QQ-99. A middle pocket pair with which he would pay. That's why I consider the bet on the river a value bet.
  • 10 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello,

      Name me a reason why you even Call the minraise on flop? Did he earlier minraise you with some air of show some aggression? I would likely just Bet/Fold on flop, on river I am betting smallish like you did and fold to a raise.

      Best regards,
      Rensu
    • Gabinr1
      Gabinr1
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      Joined: 05.04.2009 Posts: 7,755
      I can't just fold KK so easy, that's to weak in my opinion. Plus I have position on villain.


      PS: I have no info on villain. (well... now I have :D )
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Gabinr1
      I can't just fold KK so easy, that's to weak in my opinion. Plus I have position on villain.


      PS: I have no info on villain. (well... now I have :D )
      What do you mean you can't? There is a higher pair on board, Ax beats you easily and playing against unknown like this ain't profitable.
    • Gabinr1
      Gabinr1
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      Joined: 05.04.2009 Posts: 7,755
      How about calling Flop min-raise, then reevaluating Turn?

      Folding to a bet on the Turn. Betting in case of a check, for value out of weaker big pocket pairs and to scare weak aces. And of course folding to a check/raise.

      Or checking behind for a cheap showdown?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Gabinr1
      How about calling Flop min-raise, then reevaluating Turn?

      Folding to a bet on the Turn. Betting in case of a check, for value out of weaker big pocket pairs and to scare weak aces. And of course folding to a check/raise.

      Or checking behind for a cheap showdown?
      I am not Calling the minraise because of it's a 3bet pot and you are risking with a lot of money, that's some kind of leak when you do Call every time on A high board with your KK, QQ or JJ, in long run you will loose a lot with that.

      Otherwise as played I would likely still bet out on river after the 2nd Ace came.
    • Gabinr1
      Gabinr1
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      Joined: 05.04.2009 Posts: 7,755
      OK, thanks for the feedback veriz!
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      You are welcome. :s_grin:
    • LePokerMonster
      LePokerMonster
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.11.2008 Posts: 74
      I also think that call on the flop was unnecessary because of the 3bet pot and A on flop. my line of play would be b/f. And if you do call then certainly check all streets
    • caltabiano
      caltabiano
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      Joined: 09.03.2007 Posts: 1,992
      How about check back flop? We have position and we're never getting 3 strees of value, so no need to bet the flop =D
    • LePokerMonster
      LePokerMonster
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      Joined: 03.11.2008 Posts: 74
      check on the flop would show some weakness... With a check on the flop you allow hands like 99 or QQ to draw for free.