How can I climb up the limits as fast as possible?

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    • JackxxRatt
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      Nice read.

      You say no cashouts which obviously makes sense but mention nothing of site selection, bonuses and rakeback deals which I would have thought would all contribute to climbing the ladder quicker, any reason for this omission?
    • Kknight
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      Great article...thanks Puschkin. That's definitely my goal!

      Thanks,
      Kknight
    • Berliner1982
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      Nice job. :) I like it very much.
    • Zeffke
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      In the example you give about 'not cashing out' you say you're playing NL25.....and then moving up to NL200. That's climbing up a little too fast imo :D And over your BR as well :P .

      So if you want to follow the rules you have to play NL25 till you get 1000$ to move up to NL50, at NL50 you need to get to $2000 to get to NL100, and at NL100 you need to get to $4000 to move up to NL200.Right?

      So you need to play:

      50,000 hands @ NL50 (1000$/0.50$=2000 BB with a winrate of 4BB/100hands)
      50,000 hands @ NL100 (2000$/1$=2000 BB with a winrate of 4BB/100hands)
      6,250 hands @ NL200 (500$/2$=250 BB with a winrate of 4BB/100hands)

      So actually you have to play ~106k hands to cash out your $500 at NL200 :D

      I get your point that you only need to play 5k hands at NL200 but the way to NL200 is way longer.
      But I agree with you that you should not make cashouts though. If I'm getting to NL100-NL200 it will change maybe but for the moment I only cashout bonuses.

      Nice article btw.
    • Puschkin81
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      Thanks for the feedback!

      @Zeffke: You are right. But if you cash out $500 at NL25 and then move up to NL200 you need to play ~126k hands. :P So it's worth it to wait with the cash out until you reach NL200.

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • howard182
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      Cashing out's fine at any limit as long as you keep your cashouts proportional to your bankroll, just like the limits you play. Cashing out half your bankroll is obviously crazy no matter what you play.
    • Zeffke
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      @ Howard: So like Puschkin says, you better don't cash out at lower limits, because it would be around $5-$10. Not even enough to go to the movie :evil: And surely since the dollar is this low X(
    • Barne
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      Not that i plan to do so for a while, but once you build up your bankroll for a bit to say at least $1000 wouldn't it be alright to cash out bits from there? Say 5-10% every month or 2. You should easily be able to grow that back over 2 months and get more, even if you don't play that much, on average i think. But you'll actualy have some real reward you can get your hands around. Like physical evidence of your success. What are your opinions on such a way of cashing out?
    • Mugge88
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      the article is about climbing the limits as fast as possible, and to do that you can't cashout... if we look at it complete mathematical that is.. If you perhabs played 100k hands and just don't seem to climb the limits as fast as you wanted to you might be getting tired of poker and maybe even considering quitting it since you didn't get anything from playing yet (everyone knows that pokerchips got nothing to do with real money ;) ).. In that case a small cashout might help you getting on, so you get the feeling that you actually achieved something..

      But as i started out: If you don't cashout at the lower limits you will rise in limits faster!
    • WarGawd
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      was referenced in the essay, but I have not come across this term before in any of the other strategy articles or other poker forums....can someone explain or provide a link?


      Thx
      WarGawd
    • Puschkin81
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      Hi WarGawd!

      You won't find this rule in any other poker forum (what the hell are you doing there? :evil: ;) ) because it's a theoretical concept developed by PokerStrategy. In this article you can find the Call15 rule: "NL Preflop Big Stack Strategy"

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • howard182
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      It's related to the rule of 5 and 10 (which you will find referenced elsewhere), but is much harder to misinterpret or misapply.