quick question, 4bet%

    • ronekinky
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      im pretty good at reading 3bet% to see if there are light3bets in villains range but im having a harder time with the 4bet%.. if we have a villain that only 4bets AA,KK,QQ and AK preflop, what would his 4bet% be? my 4bet % is around 7%, is that standrad? thanxx
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    • LuborC
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      AA,KK,AK and QQ is 2.54%
    • RahXephon1
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      Equilator

      This should help you. Be aware though that for 4bet you would need hi sample to be accurate, and it would also need to be positional stats since it should differ greatly if it stats for 4bet in blind battles. Better to make your conclusions based on notes and other villains tendencies.
    • ronekinky
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      ok thanx, but it is really that simple? mine is 7%(recently started new DB so a bit small sample) and i usually dont 4bet AQ/AJ or 99/88 wich a 7% range would contain... dont we have to make a calculation taking the pfr into concideration or something.. im a bit lost :f_eek:
    • JuiceQuadre
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      Well.. there is 4bet% and 4betrange%..

      4bet% is probably yours 7% and it means how often do you 4bet when you get 3betted.

      4betrange% is your range for 4bet of total hands which can make those 2% or 1.5% or something like that.
    • ronekinky
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      JuiceQuadre

      "4bet% is probably yours 7% and it means how often do you 4bet when you get 3betted."

      yeah so if i make a preflopraise, and face a 3bet, and i only 4bet AA,KK,QQ and AK.. what would my 4bet% be?
    • LuborC
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      That depends on what your PFR is.

      Example: You raise 50% from the BU and 4 bet only AA, KK, AK and QQ which is 2.54% of all possible hands. But 50% of all the possible hands you already folded (since you raise 50% and fold those other 50%) so those 2.54% are actually 5.08% of the hands you raised. So your 4bet% in this case would be 5.08%.
    • ronekinky
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      LuborC

      thanx, that was the thing i couldnt quite grip.. :s_grin:

      so basically i can take my 4bet% and cut it in half to get an estimate wich hands i 4bet... (?) or is that only the case if i raise 50% preflop? what if i raise 15%?
    • LuborC
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      In order to 4 bet a hand you have to raise it first. (You raise, someone 3bets and then you can 4bet).

      So you raise 15%. AK+ is 2.54%. So your 4bet% if you only 4bet those hands is 100*2.54/15 (in other words you take your raising range and see how many times bigger than you your 4bet range it is, the 100 is there so that you get the value in %) so your 4 bet% in this case would be 16.9%.

      You raise 22% and 4bet the same again so 4bet% is 100*2.54/22=11.54%.

      You raise 22% and 4bet AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK, and AQ (you can use equilator to find out that this range is 4.68% of all hands). Your 4bet% is 100*4.68/22=21.27%.
    • ronekinky
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      thanx 4 the help :f_grin:
    • LuborC
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      I just checked out my HEM and it looks like the standard stat there is 4bet range not 4bet%. What software do you use?
    • ronekinky
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      im using pt3.. is that different?
    • LuborC
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      I don't know actually, I'm using HEM.
      HEM has two stats. 4bet% - how often can you expect him to 4bet your 3bet. And 4bet range - what cards can you expect him to have when he does.
      PT3 probably has the same stats.

      Thanks for asking this question BTW. You really kind of forced me to look more into this and thus improve.. :f_thumbsup:
    • ronekinky
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      no problem ;)

      in pt3 its called "preflop 4bet percentage".. so i guess your earlier thoughts and calculations would apply to that stat?

      so just to sum up pt3 "preflop 4bet percentage", i can make an estimate like this: (disregarding positional 4bet percentages..) villain raises and his pfr is 30%. im in BB. i 3bet and he 4bets.. his total preflop 4bet% is 10%. so the i just take 10% out of his pfr wich is 30%. wich of course is 3%. and thats the estimation of his what he 4bets.. 3% being JJ+ and AKs, AKo.. (was it this simple?) :f_eek: