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[NL20-NL50] NL50 FR KK vs AA

    • Gabinr1
      Gabinr1
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.04.2009 Posts: 7,755
      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      CO(Hero):
      $53.60
      BU:
      $35.55
      SB:
      $68.10
      BB:
      $35.50
      UTG1:
      $91.65
      UTG2:
      $50.20
      MP1:
      $50.00
      MP2:
      $49.30
      MP3:
      $25.00


      Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K.
      UTG1 calls $0.50, UTG2 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 raises to $6.25, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $18.00, 6 folds, MP2 raises to $49.30, Hero calls $31.30.


      Final Pot: $100.85.

      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of kings(K K).
      MP2 shows a pair of aces(A A).

      MP2 wins with a pair of aces(A A).



      Isn't this hand obvious aces preflop? Can I fold?


      Please explain why a call here is profitable in the long run.
  • 3 replies
    • LePokerMonster
      LePokerMonster
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.11.2008 Posts: 74
      MP2 was really agressive so it's hard to read his Aces. I sometimes fold KK preflop(about 5-10% of the time) if I see some really obvious plays for example.:Full Tilt Poker Game #17820046398: Table Mahogany - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:39:53 ET - 2010/01/22
      Seat 1: Hero ($26.12)
      Seat 2: Witkow ($20.53)
      Seat 3: Swafnan ($25.35)
      Seat 4: blink3665 ($16.94)
      Seat 5: Luujs1 ($29.82)
      Seat 6: sc_style ($7.89)
      Seat 7: beraniste ($10)
      Seat 8: LondonArchangel ($25.89)
      sc_style posts the small blind of $0.10
      beraniste posts the big blind of $0.25
      The button is in seat #5
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to Hero [Kc Ks]
      marylbj sits down
      LondonArchangel folds
      marylbj adds $17.50
      Hero has 15 seconds left to act
      Hero calls $0.25
      Witkow folds
      Swafnan folds
      blink3665 raises to $0.75
      Luujs1 folds
      sc_style folds
      beraniste folds
      beraniste adds $0.25
      Hero raises to $2.75
      blink3665 has 15 seconds left to act
      blink3665 raises to $6
      Heroo has 15 seconds left to act
      Hero has requested TIME
      Hero folds
      Uncalled bet of $3.25 returned to blink3665
      blink3665 mucks
      blink3665 wins the pot ($5.85)
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot $5.85 | Rake $0
      Seat 1: Hero folded before the Flop
      Seat 2: Witkow didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 3: Swafnan didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 4: blink3665 collected ($5.85), mucked
      Seat 5: Luujs1 (button) didn't bet (folded)
      Seat 6: sc_style (small blind) folded before the Flop
      Seat 7: beraniste (big blind) folded before the Flop
      Seat 8: LondonArchangel didn't bet (folded)




      From my experience i know that these small 4bets are usually AA or KK. since I'm behind the range {KK+} thus I fold. But you really consider with what that particular person could be raising such amount.
    • AninIII
      AninIII
      Bronze
      Joined: 13.07.2008 Posts: 944
      Hi,

      some reads on villain would help a lot.

      If he is a 10/6 nit, I'm folding after my cold-3-bet and his shove. Because i assume that he only shoves Aces.
      If he is a LAG playing 27/24 with 12 3-bet i'm calling with a smile for 100 BB.
      Because some people shove QQ and AK, maybe even JJ and AQ, too.

      As played: He isoraises 3 people full ring very big which shows strength. You have to reraise, because KK is too strong to just call ip.
      The problem is, that you turn your hand into a bluff if you raise/fold.

      Let's see what the judges think.

      Best regards,
      Anin
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I also tried to make hero folds with KK when I was playing nl 25 FR, but at the end you just loose money if player happens to have there QQ or AK, since nowadays even nits should get all-in with wider range, since they get 3-bet a lot with lags, so I think they are widen their getting all-in range pf.
      This is very big raise pf and I think there is nothing wrong calling then playing postflop ip, but 3-bet and then calling shove is also fine. After you put in 36% of your stack you can´t fold KK pf.