[NL2-NL10] SSS FR NL25 - Problems with KK

    • Kknight
      Kknight
      Global
      Joined: 30.04.2007 Posts: 374
      Hand 1:
      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)

      UTG+1 ($32)
      MP1 ($19.50)
      MP2 ($24.80)
      MP3 ($4.75)
      CO ($23.60)
      Hero ($5)
      SB ($25.25)
      BB ($20.95)
      UTG ($13.55)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with K:spade: , K:club: . MP1 posts a blind of $0.35.
      [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], MP1 (poster) checks, [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises to $1.25[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], BB calls $1, MP1 folds.

      Flop: ($2.95) A:diamond: , 8:diamond: , 9:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]BB bets $1[/color], Hero folds.

      Final Pot: $2.95


      Hand 2:
      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)

      Hero ($5)
      MP2 ($6.30)
      MP3 ($25)
      CO ($30.20)
      Button ($44.20)
      SB ($6)
      BB ($20)
      UTG ($1.25)
      UTG+1 ($23.85)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K:club: , K:spade: .
      [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], UTG+1 calls $0.25, [color:#CC3333]Hero raises to $1.25[/color], [color:#666666]6 folds[/color], UTG+1 calls $1.

      Flop: ($2.85) 8:heart: , 9:heart: , J:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      UTG+1 checks, [color:#CC3333]Hero bets $2[/color], [color:#CC3333]UTG+1 raises to $4.25[/color], Hero calls $1.75 (All-In).

      Turn: ($10.35) 4:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)[/color]

      River: ($10.35) J:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)[/color]

      Final Pot: $10.35


      Hand 3:
      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)

      MP2 ($26.60)
      MP3 ($31.60)
      CO ($23.75)
      Hero ($4.65)
      SB ($3.35)
      BB ($17.25)
      UTG ($24.40)
      UTG+1 ($37.65)
      MP1 ($37.15)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with K:spade: , K:club: .
      [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises to $1.5[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], BB calls $1.25, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

      Flop: ($3.60) 3:diamond: , A:club: , 6:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      BB checks, [color:#CC3333]Hero bets $3.15 (All-In)[/color], BB calls $3.15.

      Turn: ($0) 9:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)[/color]

      River: ($0) 7:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)[/color]

      Final Pot: $9.90

      Any problems with any of these three hands?

      Thanks,
      Kknight
  • 9 replies
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
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      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Hi Kknight!

      No, I think you played all this hands correctly!

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • Kknight
      Kknight
      Global
      Joined: 30.04.2007 Posts: 374
      So the fold in hand 1 was OK? I thought so at the time because of the donk-bet with an A on board, but after I posted I began to wonder if a flushdraw or straightdraw was just as likely of a holding?

      Thanks,
      Kknight
    • degnic
      degnic
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      Joined: 06.02.2007 Posts: 3,953
      I would push hand1
    • Nunki
      Nunki
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      Joined: 25.10.2006 Posts: 865
      1) I'd probably push here too.

      2)NH.

      3)A bet on this flop will very likely only be called by a better hand. A bet on this flop will never fold out a better hand. A check here will at least give the villain a chance to make a mistake by bluffing the turn. The board is pretty dry so not too many cards to hurt us.
    • Kknight
      Kknight
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      Joined: 30.04.2007 Posts: 374
      degnic - Thanks for your input.

      Nunki - Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be giving me conflicting advice on these two hands.

      In hand 1, you're telling me I should push even though I've been bet into on an A high board and even though I've got 15BB left in my stack (a decent enough amount that it is worth saving if I'm beaten.)

      In hand 3, you're saying I should check-behind in position on an A high board even though it's been checked to me (potentially showing weakness) and even though I've got less in my stack than the size of the pot, meaning the c-bet needs to work less than half the time to break-even or better. If they had bet into me in hand 3 would you have advocated pushing here as well since it would then be a similar situation to hand 1?

      I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I'm wondering if your advice is possibly results-oriented? I know I didn't give results, but my title implies that I lost all three of these hands.

      Any clarification you could provide on your advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm just trying to better understand the reasoning so that I can continue to improve.

      Looking forward to your reply,
      Kknight
    • undercover82
      undercover82
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      Joined: 09.12.2006 Posts: 813
      My interpretation is that in hand one your opponent makes a weak donkbet which doesnt make much sense if he holds an ace , and the board is very drawy , so he could be having a draw looking to see next card cheaply maybe , or a weak ace that he might fold to a reraise.
      While on hand 3 , with the board being that dry , your contibet will only get called by an Ax hand , while if you check behind someone might try to bluff you because you showed weakness on the flop and thus you make the most value out of it.
    • Nunki
      Nunki
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      Joined: 25.10.2006 Posts: 865
      Originally posted by undercover82
      My interpretation is that in hand one your opponent makes a weak donkbet which doesnt make much sense if he holds an ace , and the board is very drawy , so he could be having a draw looking to see next card cheaply maybe , or a weak ace that he might fold to a reraise.
      While on hand 3 , with the board being that dry , your contibet will only get called by an Ax hand , while if you check behind someone might try to bluff you because you showed weakness on the flop and thus you make the most value out of it.
      In a nutshell. Plus I have some empirical evidence which suggests a push in hand 1.

      The logic behind the remarks that I made in your thread about PP's with overcards is in the most part relevant here as well.

      See also in the thread "Going broke with AQo" with regards to weak donkbets. In particular there is a link to a post that I made some months ago which MAY have some relevance.

      With regards to the check in hand 3 showing weakness, many players like to c/r the shortie when they have a hand that they want to play. ie. If you are HU, IP and are checked to, you have very little extra information about a player's hand.

      I don't care whether you won,lost or tied in any of these hands.

      BTW, I like your posts KKnight as they ask many of the difficult questions that confront a SSS player on the flop. In fact you ask most of the questions that I myself asked. :D
    • Kknight
      Kknight
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      Joined: 30.04.2007 Posts: 374
      Undercover & Nunki - Thanks for the clarification. It makes much more sense now and the feedback is greatly appreciated.

      Thanks,
      Kknight
    • Kknight
      Kknight
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      Joined: 30.04.2007 Posts: 374
      Originally posted by Nunki
      BTW, I like your posts KKnight as they ask many of the difficult questions that confront a SSS player on the flop. In fact you ask most of the questions that I myself asked. :D
      And also thanks for the compliments and encouragement Nunki.

      Thanks,
      Kknight