[NL20-NL50] NL50 FR QQ pf BB vs 4bet

    • Gabinr1
      Gabinr1
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.04.2009 Posts: 7,755
      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      MP1:
      $51.25
      MP2:
      $17.90
      MP3:
      $46.55
      CO:
      $23.55
      BU:
      $86.15
      SB:
      $74.75
      BB(Hero):
      $99.00
      UTG1:
      $113.10
      UTG2:
      $76.25


      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
      4 folds, MP3 raises to $2.00, 3 folds, Hero raises to $6.50, MP3 raises to $15.00, Hero???


      Call, shove or fold?


      I need some wisdom on playing queens preflop and postflop in this kind of situations.
  • 5 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      players are sometimes bluffing, sometimes 4-bet/calling TT+/AK. I´d shove there
      problem with calling that you´d get all-in anyway if board is 224, so why not do it pf.
    • Gabinr1
      Gabinr1
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      Joined: 05.04.2009 Posts: 7,755
      With what would he call shove? KK, AA ... so why do it?


      It's ok to not go broke with KK for more than 100BB, but it's ok with QQ?



      PS: this is FR
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      MP3's stack controls the risk here and he is under 100BB.

      That said I like 3bet-fold with QQ because many big stack players arnt capable of 4bet much other than KK / AA. Or at least they are on Titan, though I remember when I swapped from PP to Titan I was amazed how tight iPoker is so maybe its just iPoker that makes me always say "fold fold fold!"

      You have to use judgement on how loose the opponent is. This 4bet is rarely a bluff, but could sometimes be as loose as AQ, JJ. At that loose you get 51.336% from the stove with queens.

      If he is standard QQ+, AKo+ you are down to 40.207%; if he is Titan-tight KK+ 18.26%.

      Another thing to factor in is how often you 3bet and what image the opponent might have of you. Do you 3bet light and squeeze sometimes? Have you done it to him and taken pots off him, or shown down a light 3bet with 78s that made a strong hand? If so you lean more towards 3bet-shove.

      If not and without any stats, 3bet-fold.
    • Gabinr1
      Gabinr1
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      Joined: 05.04.2009 Posts: 7,755
      MP3's stack controls the risk here and he is under 100BB.


      That was my mistake. I had so many deepstacked hands that I'm dreaming it :D


      Yes, so it's a normal ~100BB situation.



      Thanks for the feedback!
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by Gabinr1
      With what would he call shove? KK, AA ... so why do it?


      It's ok to not go broke with KK for more than 100BB, but it's ok with QQ?



      PS: this is FR
      It is not about what people are generally going all-in after they 4-bet, but just what hand range player can have if they open MP and other player 3-bets them.
      If you play nl 100 rush then good regulars would often 4-bet there with bluff or widen their value range to JJ+/AK, so shove there is imo very profitable
      If you don´t want to get 4-bet, then nothing wrong calling ip and playing postflop