[NL2-NL10] NL5 AKs

    • Shinersen
      Shinersen
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.07.2009 Posts: 4,333
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Porneşte mâna

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG1:
      $12.37
      UTG2:
      $8.33
      MP1:
      $5.06
      MP2:
      $5.08
      MP3:
      $4.46
      CO:
      $4.31
      BU:
      $5.00
      SB(Hero):
      $8.53
      BB:
      $12.03


      Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A.
      5 folds, CO raises to $0.15, BU folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB calls $0.45, CO folds.

      Flop: ($1.15) 4, 7, A (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.90, BB calls $0.90.

      Turn: ($2.95) 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.20, BB calls $2.20.

      River: ($7.35) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $8.43(All-In), Hero calls $4.93.

      Final Pot: $20.71.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, aces and sevens(K A).
      BB shows four of a kind, sevens(7 7).

      BB wins with four of a kind, sevens(7 7).

      could i put on JJ+ range or flushdraw. but...
  • 4 replies
    • johnbeattie85
      johnbeattie85
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      Joined: 11.09.2008 Posts: 716
      I think value betting river is slightly better. Not worried about flush, he would have raised flop or called and folded turn (unless he is calling station, but then he will have all sorts of mid/low aces as well).

      If you value bet, stuff like AQ AJs that might otherwise check behind will call. Very occasionaly underpairs will hero call. When you check/call his range is a lot narrower, but you can't make a safe fold. So value betting looses the same amount when your behind, but wins a larger pot when your ahead.
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      We arnt often in front on the river here. Block-fold would be an option if we had more stack left. I like C-F simply because what do we figure will shove that we can beat? The obvious draw made it.

      How often do you see any player calling two streets in 3bet pot with JJ-KK underpair on an ace high board, after being the passive caller to a 3bet preflop? Maybe a very horrible player might have AQ/AJ here, but I would never value-bet on it.
    • johnbeattie85
      johnbeattie85
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      Joined: 11.09.2008 Posts: 716
      Originally posted by Jaissica
      How often do you see any player calling two streets in 3bet pot with JJ-KK underpair on an ace high board, after being the passive caller to a 3bet preflop? Maybe a very horrible player might have AQ/AJ here, but I would never value-bet on it.
      Quite often. Especially in position. Plus It's prob safe to assume a unknown on NL5 is horrible. On the river there is 1 combination of 77, 3 combinations of 44, maybe add 1/2 combination for the times he slowplays AA. If he even has AQ, AJs some of the time, we are doing pretty well. Like I said, if BU is bad enough to have a flush here, he is also bad enough to have a whole lot of aces. So it isn't that bad for our equity. Worst case he will have flushes, but only strong aces. Then we are still have 43-50%.

      See merit in check/folding if:

      BU is never calling Aces.
      BU is never betting worse hands.

      Not really sure how these games play, but would def expect calls with good aces. Might b totally misreading ranges since stacks are deepish, will see what judges say.
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
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      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,


      Deepness against unknowns is one of the hardest factors to account for, because you have no idea if they even care, and if they do, how it will affect their game. BB might be a huge fish coldcalling 3bets with any two suited cards, he might be an average tag that gets scared and only setmines with pocket pairs when deep because it's a lot of money, he might a decent tag that tends to call looser with speculative hands with position on you figuring there is more money to be made. Who knows.

      If there is one thing we can agree on it's that both shoving and check/folding are better plays than check/calling, johnbeattie85's arguments are quite sound.

      Deciding between shoving and check/folding depends on how many worse top pairs you think BB can show up with, and whether it's enough to balance out the times you're jamming into a better hand. I disagree with your assessment of him never having a flush without a read, like i said you can't know how people will react to deepstacks, or if he's even aggressive enough to raise a draw at all.

      It's a grayish area. Use any info you can get on him, where he lives (some countries have very a active poker scene, while others don't), what's his nickname (chances are YouPayForMyCar / I_setmine_for_a_living are better players than kelly1988 / robert_AA), how tight he looked since he came at the table (hints at how many Ax hands he tends to get involved with), make a decision and live with it, it's no big deal either way, you can't make very good decisions in such spots without good information.


      Hope it helps.