Live Poker Story/Questions

    • Navrark
      Navrark
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      Joined: 27.01.2010 Posts: 313
      Greetings,

      I decided to go out and play some live Poker at the casino in town yesterday. I joined a game of $1/$2 NL and bought in for the $200 maximum according to the BSS.

      I could not believe how fast the pace of the casino was! I had heard about how slow live Poker is supposed to be - and I've seen the pace of Poker on TV - but this was nothing like I had expected.

      They don't even shuffle the cards, the Dealer just puts them face down and mixes them around in circles, then collects them up and deals them out, just as fast as it took me to type this sentence.

      Anyway, I did good making $130. But it wasn't because of sound play. I was so nervous I wasn't thinking straight. Luckily someone was there to donk off their chips to me, which is why I wanted to start playing live Poker to begin with.

      I've heard that the competition is much softer live at $1/$2 then online Micro Stakes competition.

      Anyway, a couple of questions:

      Firstly, in all the teaching material here at PokerStrategy, we are always told to raise pre-Flop to 4x the Big Blind. However, in live Poker I think this would be a butt pain for people because the standard raise appears to be $10 for simplicities sake. If I continue betting 4x the Dealers won't like me for very long. So my question is: Why is 4x the standard raise that is always taught here, and of course will I be okay betting 5x? I mean, I'm sure if everyone else bets 5x then I'll be okay too, but I may as well ask.

      Secondly, the only time the Starting Hands Chart says we are supposed to play against a Raise ahead of us is when we have AA-QQ, JJ-22 (Call20 rule), or AK. As well I have read online that in live Poker, stealing Blinds is a no-no, because you want to keep the game friendly. Now my concern is this: If I don't give much action, will other players stop giving me action, and will I consequently get Blinded out?

      I think I will still raise with KQs down to JTo in Late Position if I am first to act, but I certainly won't be raising with 54s as that might make the people a little perturbed if they see what I raised with.

      Anyway, sorry to be long winded,

      Nav

      EDIT: Now I'm kind of worried about raising with A2s in Late Position.
  • 9 replies
    • DannyG13
      DannyG13
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      Joined: 28.10.2009 Posts: 1,150
      One thing I will say is that don't be too worried about what people think of you at the table. Don't be afraid of making the same raises you would in an online game, just because you're afraid someone at the table might not like it. Make the decision that suits your game best, and the decision that will get you the most money in the end.

      Also, don't let the dealers perception of you affect how much you bet. If you wanna bet 4x the BB, then do it, dealers are there to do the job they're paid for, and are bloody quick at it so im sure they don't mind anyway!

      Being nervous when playing live for the first time is understandable, I felt the same way. Remember, the more often you go, the more comfortable you'll feel. Plus, casino live games are extremely fishy most of the time, particularly later on in the night, so it's fairly easy to make some extra cash. Well, this is assuming fishies don't suck out on you. :f_mad:
    • Ave27
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      Joined: 14.01.2007 Posts: 171
      where did u read that stealing the blinds in live games in a no-no? any poker book i've read talks about stealing the blinds and there all about live play. you always loosen up in late postion and if u can steal the blinds u do. winning money is winning money, just cuz some donk doesn't like u attacking his blind doesn't mean u stop if hes gonna flop and let u take it every time.

      i agree with the post above me as well about betting how you feel. if you wanna bet 4x i'd say go ahead. the dealer is just paid to do his job so doesn't really matter what he thinks.
    • Navrark
      Navrark
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      Joined: 27.01.2010 Posts: 313
      Thanks for the responses!

      I just read a website online that explains how to transition from online play to live Poker play. The site said that in order to keep the fish wanting to play against you, you need to convince them that you aren't a shark. They said keep the games friendly by not stealing blinds and pretend like you are playing for fun like they do.

      Honestly I hate stealing blinds but in online poker you need to do it because they steal yours. If I play live poker and see people stealing my blinds then by all means I'll do the same, but I don't want to be the hated guy no one wants to play against.

      Of course the rules differ based on the stakes. If you are playing $1/$2 then keep it friendly. If you are playing $10/$20 then show no mercy!

      Nav
    • Ave27
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      Joined: 14.01.2007 Posts: 171
      i guess thats true, if you stealing the blinds cause the fish to leave the game then i can see not attacking them.

      tho i feel now adays stealing the blinds is pretty standard, and if ur playing with such fish that they don't know about blind steals i'm super jealous of you, and good luck in that game man, it sounds pretty nice.
    • DaveWalliams
      DaveWalliams
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      Joined: 31.08.2008 Posts: 7
      The annoying thing about live poker that I have found is that these bet sizes mentioned are not only out of the ordinary for an opening raise, they are also not related to the size of the pot post-flop.

      This is vastly different to on-line poker. Maybe because the pot size is shown on screen but live u have to add it up yersell. I think many 1/2 nl players don't do this.

      Consequently it's more difficult to put them on a value bet/ block bet / oversized bet / hand based on your on-line experience.

      Can anyone give me some tips on how to pick up reads? Do you have to focus more on their body language?

      Because they are almost always loose fish (EDIT: maniacs), I've fond it easier to wait for a monster and let them hang themselves. Easy but not really a fun strategy, which is probably why you said that players on micro-stakes are better than 1/2 live players.
    • andreibalint
      andreibalint
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      Joined: 11.04.2009 Posts: 872
      Can you use a smaller bankroll while playing live by making the assumption that you have higher bb/100h since you're concentrationg on just one table and you can pick up tells?

      If yes how much?
    • cataah
      cataah
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      it is very easy to calculate the pot on the flop:
      just count how many players see the flop and do the math - for example: 3players * 10$(the raise preflop) =30$ (maybe 33$ with the blinds)
      on the turn just remember the pot from the flop and add the bets

      The ideea is to know what you will do before is your turn to act.

      DaveWalliams, about the reads: yes body languege is very important. If you decide to learn it, you will see that it will save you from a lot of bad spots.
      you will make more good calls and more good folds.
      If you want to leard, read:
      Mike Caro's book of poker tells
      and
      Phill helmuth presents read them and rape them (Joe Navarro)
      and, of course, read anything about body languege in general.
      I think some knowlege from NLP helps too

      Live play is much more about feelings then the math.
    • cataah
      cataah
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      Originally posted by andreibalint
      Can you use a smaller bankroll while playing live by making the assumption that you have higher bb/100h since you're concentrationg on just one table and you can pick up tells?
      If yes how much?
      I think you can.
      I use something around 10 buyins(for MTT/SnG) but I am allways close to loose all my br in a few nights.
      For cash games I use a diffrent approach. you can say I have a br of 10 buyins but I have just for 2-3(max4) nights. If I loose 3-4 nights in a row I am ciau ciau.
      My BRM is very unhealty, I will change it soon.
    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
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      Joined: 23.02.2007 Posts: 3,385
      Originally posted by Navrark
      As well I have read online that in live Poker, stealing Blinds is a no-no, because you want to keep the game friendly.
      :f_biggrin: