[NL2-NL10] Qq ?

    • mineriva
      mineriva
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      $50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em Seat 3 is the button

      Seat 1: CakeSeat1 ( $16.06 USD )
      Seat 2: CakeSeat2 ( $48.49 USD )
      Seat 3: CakeSeat3 ( $11.60 USD )
      Seat 4: CakeSeat4 ( $20.26 USD )
      Seat 5: HERO ( $10.70 USD )
      Seat 7: CakeSeat7 ( $81.30 USD )
      Seat 8: CakeSeat8 ( $23.70 USD )
      Seat 9: CakeSeat9 ( $81.71 USD )
      Seat 10: CakeSeat10 ( $17.24 USD )
      CakeSeat4 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
      HERO posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
      ** Dealing down cards **
      Dealt to HERO [ Qh Qd ]
      CakeSeat7 folds
      CakeSeat8 raises [$1.70 USD]
      CakeSeat9 folds
      CakeSeat10 raises [$2.90 USD]
      CakeSeat1 folds
      CakeSeat2 folds
      CakeSeat3 folds
      CakeSeat4 folds
      HERO calls [$2.40 USD]
      - I have a note on the reraiser that he likes to minraise AK and then always calls AI. I believe the UTG+1 open raiser has a range of JJ+ and AK. I believe AQ very unlikely as I had QQ. I decided to call because I believed that UTG+1 would call AK and push JJ+. If he called I would stack off on with an overpair and fold to any action if a A or K came down because I knew the 3better has AK.


      CakeSeat8 raises [$22.00 USD]
      CakeSeat10 calls [$14.34 USD]
      Hero folds
      - I know it is AK vs JJ+ and I am calling with less that 20% equity and I am not getting odds to call


      CakeSeat8 wins $6.46 USD
      CakeSeat8 shows [xx, xx]
      CakeSeat10 shows [xx, xx]
      ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Td, 3d ]
      ** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
      ** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
      CakeSeat8 wins $35.78 USD from main pot


      Anyone folding/shoving preflop?
  • 8 replies
    • Gerv
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      I think calling preflop is the worst thing you can do because either postflop:

      1) If an A or K falls, you are check/folding

      2) If the flop is 2 2 4, you will fold out all AK/AQ hands and hope he will stack off with TT-JJ and not with QQ+

      Looking at stacksizes, I see Seat8 having 46bb which I found pretty bad hence If he is unknown to you, assume a wider openinsrange.

      The min3bet of seat10 that is possibly AK is pretty good since you have a 54% equity against that. Since that's >50% you are expected to win in the long run.

      So I would shove preflop here with TOp2.5% of your range.

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • mineriva
      mineriva
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      "If the flop is 2 2 4, you will fold out all AK/AQ hands "

      No on that board I check. Seat8 will prob also check (if he bets with his AK it is better for us) and seat10 bets (i have that note that he always minraise ak pre and cb any flop) and then I ch/raise AI.

      I rejected shove because I fold out TT and JJ and get called by KK+ (seat8).
      I rejected fold because I believe I could double up under the right conditions.

      After I folded seat8 showed KK and seat10 showed AK
    • TetraQuark
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      And what is a "right condition" for you? Hitting a set?
      In the long run... and I am not talking 5-6k hands but more 100k hands you will lose more money than gain if you don`t push in situations like this one.. so it is simply more +EV if you push, every thing else is left to assumption which is pretty marginal here...
    • elhh82
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      With SSS it's pretty much impossible to fold AA/KK/AK/QQ

      we're so often ahead, and of coz we'll lose sometimes. Folding these hands for 20bb preflop is a huge leak IMO.

      You want to find the absolute best way to get all the money in preflop.

      on a flop like this, 3T3, it's also impossible to fold AA/KK/QQ here.
    • mineriva
      mineriva
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      What if you 100% sure:

      1) seat10 has AK; and
      2) is beting ANY flop; and
      3)is prob calling a raise?; and
      4) seat 8 pushes KK, AA preflop; and
      5) calling AK preflop?

      My conclusion was that I am putting 1/3 of my stack in against some tight ranges but I would never put the rest in bad. After the flop I am always getting the rest in as a big fav or folding when behind.

      I dont know. When they turned there cards I was very proud of my play but now I dont know.
    • TetraQuark
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      well if u r 100% sure about their hands, than just fold your QQ preflop and don`t even bother calling, because you are well behind with under 20% eq...

      but I believe that u being 100% sure is never 100% :f_p: :f_eek:
    • elhh82
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      if you're 100% sure, then you'd fold everything other than AA. :)

      how 100% is your 100%
    • mineriva
      mineriva
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      "if you're 100% sure, then you'd fold everything other than AA. "

      TY that is what i wanted to know. So I should have folded rather ok.

      Just last point about the 100%. Yes i was 100% sure that seat10 had AK and I was right. I was unsure what seat8 had BUT I was 100% sure that seat8 was going to push all his better hands and call all his worse hands.

      Ty for your imput guys srry if i came accross argumentative was not the intention.