[NL20-NL50] NL50: set, bad rivercard

    • Zeffke
      Zeffke
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      Joined: 17.04.2007 Posts: 1,123
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $4.90
      MP2(Hero):
      $75.40
      MP3:
      $41.85
      CO:
      $90.75
      BU:
      $73.95
      SB:
      $10.00


      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q.
      Hero raises to $1.50, MP3 folds, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds.

      Flop: ($3.75) 8, Q, 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.00, CO calls $3.00.

      Turn: ($9.75) 4 (2 players)
      Hero bets $7.50, CO calls $7.50.

      River: ($24.75) K (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50.

      Final Pot: $43.75.

      Villain is unknown. Is it ok to call this bet when flush arrives? what if he bets like $16 ? I'm often facing this with a set and not sure when to call or when not to... :f_frown:
  • 5 replies
    • Zeffke
      Zeffke
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.04.2007 Posts: 1,123
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $51.80
      BU:
      $46.20
      SB:
      $75.75
      BB:
      $69.70
      MP2:
      $76.65
      MP3(Hero):
      $53.95


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, J.
      MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO folds, BU calls $1.50, 2 folds.

      Flop: ($3.75) 2, J, 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.00, BU calls $3.00.

      Turn: ($9.75) 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $6.25, BU calls $6.25.

      River: ($22.25) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $7.50, Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $22.25.

      Villain is 19/12/3.3 over 110 hands (wtsd=15%)
      Same kind of situation, worse hand... can I check/call this river? Again what if he bets like $14?
    • Diedobal
      Diedobal
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      Joined: 07.10.2007 Posts: 558
      QQ: I like a c/r here pretty much on turn. The 15% he hits his flush on river and we dont improve is worth it too, if he checks behind turn.

      As played: Bet/fold river halfpot vs unknown.

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      KJ: vs a 19/12 who calls flop you're not valuebetting turn a lot of times (call cbet% is important here ! ). So I decide to keep the pot small and CHECK/call turn and reevaluate river.

      River is mehh because the pot is big already (cause of turn).. but you simply have to call for the good odds.

      But hands like this I really depend on stats:
      call cbet%? call turn cbet%?
      AFq turn?
      AFq river?
    • Zeffke
      Zeffke
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      Joined: 17.04.2007 Posts: 1,123
      KJ:

      His call cbet was around 50%
      But imo my equity is too big to check this turn
    • Diedobal
      Diedobal
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      Joined: 07.10.2007 Posts: 558
      If you think your equity is good, do a check/raise on turn.

      Reason I like a check more on turn vs a nitty (important!) player:

      The hands he calls(or reraises) a turn 2barrel with are: sets/AJ/KJ/QJ/flushdraws/QQ/KK/AA.

      The hands that will bet if you check turn: missed floats, KJ/QJ/ any Jx/ draws/sets.

      So if you check turn you'll get value of a lot more value from weaker hands then pulling a second barrel, which when called is 70% dead and leaves you with an ugly river spot oop.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      QQ: you can try to c/r turn, but often it might also go c/c
      since it is really hard to call you down with worse hands, when that river hits, I like c/c, instead of b/f
      KJ: I think KJ is not that strong to c/r there, so I´d take b/c or b/f line
      and I´m not folding there to small bet. He can easily valuebet worse hands or bluff at some floats