[NL2-NL10] 2 QQ plays at nl10

    • supeyrio
      supeyrio
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      Joined: 11.11.2009 Posts: 3,106
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      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $10.00
      UTG2:
      $3.45
      MP1:
      $5.50
      MP2:
      $12.15
      MP3 (Hero):
      $18.13
      CO:
      $12.87
      BU:
      $5.35
      SB:
      $2.76


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, Q.
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, 3 folds.

      Flop: ($0.85) J, 6, 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.85, CO calls $0.85.

      Turn: ($2.55) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.55, CO calls $2.55.

      River: ($7.65) 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $7.65, CO calls $7.65.

      Final Pot: $22.95.

      Results follow:

      CO shows two pairs, kings and eights(Kh Ks).
      Hero shows two pairs, queens and eights(Qh Qd).

      CO wins with two pairs, kings and eights(Kh Ks).

      is my read wrong? because i didnt put him on a premium pocket pair as he only called down my pfr.
  • 5 replies
    • supeyrio
      supeyrio
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.11.2009 Posts: 3,106
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $10.00
      UTG2:
      $3.45
      MP1:
      $5.50
      MP2:
      $12.15
      MP3 (Hero):
      $18.13
      CO:
      $12.87
      BU:
      $5.35
      SB:
      $2.76


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, Q.
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, 3 folds.

      Flop: ($0.85) J, 6, 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.85, CO calls $0.85.

      Turn: ($2.55) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.55, CO calls $2.55.

      River: ($7.65) 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $7.65, CO calls $7.65.

      Final Pot: $22.95.

      Results follow:

      CO shows two pairs, kings and eights(Kh Ks).
      Hero shows two pairs, queens and eights(Qh Qd).

      CO wins with two pairs, kings and eights(Kh Ks).

      my 4bet was to narrow his range, and his call down of my 4bet OOP, plus check on flop, my read on him was probably a AK/AQ. am i wrong to not put him on KK? because it seems like its a leak
    • supeyrio
      supeyrio
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      Joined: 11.11.2009 Posts: 3,106
      wrong post !
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
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      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,


      If he's fishy it's fine, if he's a tag you'll likely manage to scare him by potting all streets so maybe just bet 3/4 or something like that.

      You can't put him on a premium pocket pair when he plays it like that by default, it's fine. Just make a note about it and monitor his 3bet%, if he's 3betting a lot yet you know he flats premiums, then it's bullshit most of the time, if he never 3bets then you can't discard anything good from of his range preflop when he calls.


      Hope it helps.
    • supeyrio
      supeyrio
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.11.2009 Posts: 3,106
      Originally posted by tamairlarace
      Hi,


      If he's fishy it's fine, if he's a tag you'll likely manage to scare him by potting all streets so maybe just bet 3/4 or something like that.

      You can't put him on a premium pocket pair when he plays it like that by default, it's fine. Just make a note about it and monitor his 3bet%, if he's 3betting a lot yet you know he flats premiums, then it's bullshit most of the time, if he never 3bets then you can't discard anything good from of his range preflop when he calls.


      Hope it helps.
      hi, thank you very much for your input.
      i would like to share that i'm currently playing on cake, and it doens't allow the usage of trackers, and this has seriously handicap my reading ability especially when multitabling a great deal. however, i believe that people can beat these levels without having stats running, as this is also said by several other coaches. please advice as to how i can improve my play with this handicap? thank you so much!
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,


      Play tight and just assume everybody is calling way too much, which mostly means valuebetting decent top pair hands and better all the way against everybody until you have a reason not to. You simply can't gather reads on many people at microstakes without a tracker when multitabling (i'm assuming you meant it as 8+ tables because if it's only 4-6 it's doable).


      Hope it helps.