explanation of an underbet??????

    • littlewing1
      littlewing1
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      i was wondering if anyone could explain this situation for me which popped up at a live game i was at last nite at casino.
      it was concerning something called an UNDERBET, ill explain the situation

      nl holdem

      blinds 1000/2000

      UTG1 raises to 6000
      UTG2 goes all in (only has 5000 chips or so)
      everyone else folds

      dealer(CO) announces an underbet and says if i re-raise then UTG1 can only call and not re-raise again.
      could someone explain why this is?



      think thats all the info ud need, if more is needed to explain then please say.
  • 6 replies
    • lennonac
      lennonac
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      UTG2 must have had more than UTG1's raise.
      An underbet is when the reraise from UTG2 is not a leagal size, ie 1 big blind or bigger then UTG1's raise

      So say UTG1 raises to 6000 and UTG2 goes allin for 6250 it is not a leagal raise.
      If there is a caller then the UTG1 raiser cannot reraise.

      I think the dealer got this one wrong from what you have discribed as you in the cutoff can do as you please.
    • Renmerb
      Renmerb
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      Joined: 26.06.2009 Posts: 152
      Have to agree with Lennonac.

      No matter if UTG+2 failed to call the bet, or make a correct raise, the CO should be able to raise as he wishes. If the CO makes a correct raise, then there is nothing stopping UTG+1 re-raising.

      Stolen from elsewhere;
      "The rule is in place to prevent the original raiser from re-raising his/her own bet. The minimum raise was not fulfilled by the all in bettor, and if any other player acting behind does not make a full 'minimum raise', when the action gets back to the original raiser, he/she can only call, because if he/she is allowed to re-raise, they will be re-raising their own original raise."
    • littlewing1
      littlewing1
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      yes lennonac u gt that spot on about havin just slightly more(was 4 in morning after 8 hrs of poker)
      i wasnt in the cuttoff i was a folder.

      but say in ur example
      utg1 raises to 6000
      utg2 goes all in 6250
      if CO calls the extra 250 then utg1 can only call the 250 and cant re-raise bcos a legal raise has not been made.
      but if CO decides to make it a full minimum 1BB raise then utg1 can then reraise if he wishes to do so.

      think ive got it.

      thanks alot renmerb and lennonac, greatly appreciated

      played online for bout 6 mths now but just getting into the live games and these are the things you dnt get to see online.
    • Renmerb
      Renmerb
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      Originally posted by littlewing1
      if CO decides to make it a full minimum 1BB raise
      The min re-raise in this situation would be a bet of 10000, the bb of 2000 + original raise of 4000 + re-raise of 4000.

      Sorry if I just insulted your inteligence, but I just thought I'd clarify. All things you have to be sure of when playing live, much easier to make a mistake when there are no auto buttons in front of you.

      It is worth checking with the dealer though, as somtimes they class the min-raise as 2 x the original raisers full bet, so would mean a raise to 12000 total in the above situation. Although this is not technically correct.
    • littlewing1
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      no insult taken, im here to learn.
      think if id have thought about it i would of realized that, think it was the quote from lennonac that threw me.

      ""An underbet is when the reraise from UTG2 is not a leagal size, ie 1 big blind or bigger then UTG1's raise""

      thanks alot anyway m8 greatly appreciated.

      even tho its new to me and abit different i got 7th from a field of 70 people and cashed so very happy with that with the help of pokerstrategy.lol.


      seriously thanks for takin the time mate.
    • Renmerb
      Renmerb
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      Originally posted by littlewing1
      even tho its new to me and abit different i got 7th from a field of 70 people and cashed so very happy with that with the help of pokerstrategy.lol.
      Congrats. I'm sure a win will follow soon!