Should I give up Poker?

    • ZexKK
      ZexKK
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      Should I give up Poker, I can't take this any more:









      http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs401.snc3/24323_354695308376_574643376_3518444_5899777_n.jpg



      Dealt to Zex_K [Ts,Jd]
      Poke***10: calls $0,10
      *** FLOP *** [9c,Qh,8d]
      Zex_K: bets $0,30
      Poke***10: calls $0,30
      *** TURN *** [Th]
      Zex_K: bets $0,70
      Poke***10: calls $0,70
      *** RIVER *** [9s]
      Zex_K: bets $1,90
      Poke***10: raises to $3,80
      Zex_K: calls $1,90
      ***SHOW DOWN***
      Poke***10: shows [9h Tc] (Full House, Nines full of Tens )
      Zex_K: mucks
      Poke***10: wins $9,43 with Full House, Nines full of Tens
      Zex***0: mucks [ Ts, Jd ] (Straight)


      My bankroll can't take this anymore too:


      I mean, I know bad beats, downswing, tilt, all is part of poker. But is wining part of poker too? Whenever I start playing at some poker room I hit heater only first two days, no bad beats, very little lost hands. And then mostly shit like on pictures above, very little won hands
      Should I give up Poker, what should I do?
      I start playing very tight today, finaly floped set of 6's, all in on flop, and guy hit full house on turn.
      And then I just left Poker room, and I think if things are like this for me, I should just give up. If anyone can help, please do so.

      If I start playing just AA, that wont help too:



      What sholud I do?
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    • NiekamNeidomu
      NiekamNeidomu
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      if you feal bad after every beat..then yeah i gues you should..
      because it will happen..Again...And again... and again.. and again again and again
    • PocketAcesJohn
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      Ummm, firstly very small sarmple in your graph...3k is standard, downswings can go on much longer than this. Secondly you've lost 7 BI (I asume your playing BSS?) and your BR carnt take it? Well then you obviously going to have to move down a limit as i dont think you should of been playing it in the first place if a few bad beats strain the BR that much.

      I'll also add where you put a ring around AA and QQ...Well 18 or 16 hands wont tell you if your playing the hand profitable or not...As there will be to much luck involved with a sarmple that size.
    • ZexKK
      ZexKK
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      I moved down the limit an hour ago, and here is my luck there:





      Bad beat after bad beat, after bad beat....
      I think I'll go broke soon.
      Just because I have NO LUCK AT ALL.
    • Octhellior
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      Most of the hands you posted here are pretty standard.

      You're only running a little over one buyin under EV, there's going to be times when it's much much much worse.

      If you can't handle it now then maybe you should give up on poker... Or just get over it and keep playing. You do build up a psychological immunity/resistance to beats like that over time.
    • pinnryder
      pinnryder
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      Just a small comment on the sample size you have:

      Some players or loosing over 25000 hands and after 40000 (the 25k included) they are winning.

      Keep playing with proper BRM and with the strategy on this site you will be winning after 20000 hands but if you can't handle bad beats then you should stop playing after getting one and come back the next day...

      I just came across this post:

      A few words on Downswings

      Look at the graph and you see what a downswing is and remember that he got all his losses back in 5 days!!!! Maybe this will help you a bit.
    • NiekamNeidomu
      NiekamNeidomu
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      [img]http://yfrog.com/07bhappyj[/img]

      let me repeat my self ~_~ and again? ^^?
      and it's Fool Ring ! xD
      so yeah..dont wont to discourage you even more..but you cant win all the time even if you play perfect.. and no1's perfect.. well expect me offcourse ! ( yeah right..)
    • ZexKK
      ZexKK
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      Thank you guys, seriously, thank you very much.
      I will not give up, and hope some day I will help someone with my experience.
      I don't think I am a bad player, but I know I have much more to learn.
      And I am getting psychological resistance to bad beats, so that should help my game.
    • Zemnieks11
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      cmon these ain't even bad beats just variance in some 80-20% or 90-10 % spots..if you play poker for long enough time you will have real bad beats like 1 outers on river or loosing with quads! So this is nothing just keep on playing mate everyone of us are having such hands and downswings!
    • SallaMC
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      I am running 12 stacks under ev this year on PLO50. I had a session 2 days ago where I dropped 9 stacks and I was 6 stacks under ev in that session. I guess you should get used to it. you will eventually also have sessions were you will go up 10 stacks or maybe even more. just work on your game and things will be fine.
    • ZexKK
      ZexKK
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      Originally posted by Zemnieks11
      cmon these ain't even bad beats just variance in some 80-20% or 90-10 % spots..if you play poker for long enough time you will have real bad beats like 1 outers on river or loosing with quads! So this is nothing just keep on playing mate everyone of us are having such hands and downswings!
      You mean something like this:



      (I had this 5 minutes ago, and next hand at the same table a floped top pair, turned trips, but guy floped set and turned full house).
      So the downswing still continues, 5th day now, bankroll from 90$ to 20$.
    • eteris
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      happens all the time... played rush poker, got QQ three times lost every single time
    • p0kerdragon1
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      First of all stop complaining, you won't get anything that way

      Then I would recommend you to study, and play 10K SSS.

      After that, study and play BSS
    • ZexKK
      ZexKK
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      Originally posted by p0kerdragon1
      First of all stop complaining, you won't get anything that way

      Then I would recommend you to study, and play 10K SSS.

      After that, study and play BSS
      What else do I have left but to complain about bad luck?
      When downswing started I took 5 days break, read articles, forum threads...
      And when I came back playing downswing continues.
      Sure I win pots, but only little ones, 90% (not a joke) big pots I lose, some of that hands I posted here.
      So yes, I think I can complain about bad luck. This is a downswing report, so I'm just reporting that this bad luck and downswing continues.
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
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      Yea, quit, why not
    • lennonac
      lennonac
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      Play sng's then you will see what pain really is
    • p0kerdragon1
      p0kerdragon1
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      Originally posted by ZexKK
      Originally posted by p0kerdragon1
      First of all stop complaining, you won't get anything that way

      Then I would recommend you to study, and play 10K SSS.

      After that, study and play BSS
      What else do I have left but to complain about bad luck?
      When downswing started I took 5 days break, read articles, forum threads...
      And when I came back playing downswing continues.
      Sure I win pots, but only little ones, 90% (not a joke) big pots I lose, some of that hands I posted here.
      So yes, I think I can complain about bad luck. This is a downswing report, so I'm just reporting that this bad luck and downswing continues.
      You are not posting hands, you are just posting images of showdowns.
    • ZexKK
      ZexKK
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      This is not very much readable:

      Hand#2159014157001336 - Rome 14157 -- $0,02/$0,04 NL Hold'em -- 2010.03.04 - 18:40:32
      Seat 1: Mota***1 ($4,02 in chips) DEALER
      Seat 2: down***2 ($3,96 in chips)
      Seat 5: Zex_K ($1,88 in chips)
      Seat 7: Jooo***7 ($4,40 in chips)
      Seat 8: tuka***8 ($1,92 in chips)
      Seat 9: Intr***9 ($3,75 in chips)
      Seat 10: wikl***10 ($1,85 in chips)
      down***2: posts small blind $0,02
      Zex_K: posts big blind $0,04
      Dealt to Zex_K [Td,Ah]
      Jooo***7: folds
      tuka***8: folds
      Intr***9: folds
      wikl***10: calls $0,04
      Mota***1: folds
      down***2: folds
      Zex_K: raises to $0,16
      wikl***10: calls $0,12
      *** FLOP *** [Th,8h,4s]
      Zex_K: bets $0,30
      wikl***10: raises to $0,60
      Zex_K: is all in 1.4200
      wikl***10: is all in 1.0900
      Zex_K: returns uncalled bet $0,03
      wikl***10: shows [4h 4d]
      Zex_K: shows [Td Ah]
      *** TURN *** [Ts]
      *** RIVER *** [Qd]
      ***SHOW DOWN***
      wikl***10: wins $3,48 with Full House, Fours full of Tens
    • lennonac
      lennonac
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      1 Why are you playing at a non full table?

      2 Why are you half stacked?

      3 Why are you all in with a low tptk?

      Everything about this hand is wrong. Read the strategys again imo
    • p0kerdragon1
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      Originally posted by ZexKK
      This is not very much readable:

      Hand#2159014157001336 - Rome 14157 -- $0,02/$0,04 NL Hold'em -- 2010.03.04 - 18:40:32
      Seat 1: Mota***1 ($4,02 in chips) DEALER
      Seat 2: down***2 ($3,96 in chips)
      Seat 5: Zex_K ($1,88 in chips)
      Seat 7: Jooo***7 ($4,40 in chips)
      Seat 8: tuka***8 ($1,92 in chips)
      Seat 9: Intr***9 ($3,75 in chips)
      Seat 10: wikl***10 ($1,85 in chips)
      down***2: posts small blind $0,02
      Zex_K: posts big blind $0,04
      Dealt to Zex_K [Td,Ah]
      Jooo***7: folds
      tuka***8: folds
      Intr***9: folds
      wikl***10: calls $0,04
      Mota***1: folds
      down***2: folds
      Zex_K: raises to $0,16
      wikl***10: calls $0,12
      *** FLOP *** [Th,8h,4s]
      Zex_K: bets $0,30
      wikl***10: raises to $0,60
      Zex_K: is all in 1.4200
      wikl***10: is all in 1.0900
      Zex_K: returns uncalled bet $0,03
      wikl***10: shows [4h 4d]
      Zex_K: shows [Td Ah]
      *** TURN *** [Ts]
      *** RIVER *** [Qd]
      ***SHOW DOWN***
      wikl***10: wins $3,48 with Full House, Fours full of Tens
      It is better this way.
      Now we can give feedback.

      Not sure why you are with half stack. You have to stick to the SSS or BSS rules. Other way you are just losing money.

      ATo raise was not ok. You are not in position so you have to make difficult decisions. Your CBet was ok and let you know where you stand.
      After the reraise the all in was a mistake.
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