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Call 20 against multiple raises

    • nzyeti52
      nzyeti52
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.01.2010 Posts: 1
      Hey guys,

      I just wanted to clear something up. I was in MP1 and was holding 4 :diamond: , 4 :spade: . Following the starting hands chart it said to call/limp in when no one has acted before you. I understand how call 20 works against a single raise but a little confused how if call 20 works against multiple raises.

      Does call 20 still apply against multiple raises?


      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $1.91
      SB:
      $3.48
      BB:
      $0.13
      MP1 (Hero):
      $2.00
      MP2:
      $2.18
      MP3:
      $1.12
      CO:
      $1.96


      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 4, 4.
      Hero calls $0.02, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, CO raises to $0.08, BU calls $0.08, SB folds, BB raises to $0.13, Hero folds, MP3 calls $0.11, CO calls $0.05, BU calls $0.05.

      Flop: ($0.55) J, 6, 4 (3 players)
      MP3 bets $0.53, CO calls $0.53, BU folds.

      Turn: ($1.61) 2 (2 players)
      MP3 raises to $0.46, CO calls $0.46.

      River: ($2.53) 4 (3 players)


      Final Pot: $2.53.
      Results follow:

      CO shows two pairs, jacks and fours(J K).
      MP3 shows two pairs, jacks and fours(J Q).
      BB shows a pair of fours(A Q).

      CO wins with two pairs, jacks and fours(J K).
  • 4 replies
    • mata123
      mata123
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 202
      Well with my basic understanding i would say that more money in the pot,bigger your odds to call...so i call with small poket pairs a raise +callers/a decent reraise(not an all in or something crazy) very often...
      The key is to fold when you don't hit the flop to a raise,even is soooo tempting to push your luck :f_biggrin:
      Somebody please stop me if i'm rambbling......
    • thazar
      thazar
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.09.2009 Posts: 6,561
      well this particular situation is a bit tricky:

      on one hand you are reraise by $0.11 you have $1.98 so you are not in a call20 situation but there is the COP that could still come in the pot or if not there is dead money si on that basis I would go for it.

      on the other hand the CO could reraise and make you fold.

      I would call the raise from BB and but fold if CO reraise and i and not in the call20 situation. also if CO reraise and BB call you do not need a call 20 situation but less since you have 2 punters in the pot.

      finally note that call20 situation is based on the amount of the raise:
      let 's say you call the $0.13 and CO reraise to $0.20, BB calls $0.20 the raise is not $0.20 but $0.07 and you have oponent an easy call.

      I hope it is a bit clearer to you
    • Svizac28
      Svizac28
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.01.2010 Posts: 61
      Here's how I play small pocket pairs: I usually call all bets and 3bets as long as they arent bigger than 10 big blinds. If pot isnt raised before me, then I raise. On the flop i bet my ass off if I hit a set, fold immediately if I don't hit a set.

      So in this particular case I'd call BB's bet
    • woopstash
      woopstash
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.01.2010 Posts: 94
      I play pretty strict to the call 20 rule with one raiser, but as more players hop into the pot (by cold calling) I start loosening up as the chances of getting paid off with a set greatly improve. With that being said, if one player raises and 2 call, and they only have short stacks, I would probably fold unless I had position or the pp was 88+.

      The 3bet by the BB is for his remaining stack, and it seems unlikely that one of the other players remaining will 4 bet after cold calling with 2 other people still left for the side pot. If the raise was to say, 0.30, you could find a fold. But in this case, I'd stay in the hand and fold if I don't hit a set. You're getting such good odds to stay in.