[NL2-NL10] Instructional sample hands #5

    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
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      0,05/0,10 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A:heart: , K:heart:
      5 folds, Hero raises to $0,40, SB calls $0,35, BB raises to $0,70, Hero calls, SB calls $0,30.

      Flop: ($1,80) J:diamond: , 6:spade: , 2:diamond: (2 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $1,15 (All-In), Hero ???

      What do you do here?
  • 7 replies
    • Kknight
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      I'm guessing $2 stack to start with? In any case, I think it's a fold. You don't have initiative, don't have a made hand (or even a good draw,) are facing two opponents, and don't even know if your outs are any good.

      IMHO,
      Kknight
    • ciRith
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      Easy fold even for a FL player. *g*
    • Berliner1982
      Berliner1982
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      We push All-In Preflop. ;)
      As played we fold on the Flop.
    • Kknight
      Kknight
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      Originally posted by Berliner1982
      We push All-In Preflop. ;)
      Oops...duh! I missed that...I just answered the Hero ??? part ;)
    • MisterB73
      MisterB73
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      No poll this time? :(

      Anyways, according to the SSS we should have pushed all-in before the flop.
      Now it is an easy fold, since we have a trash hand on the flop.
    • Puschkin81
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      As almost all of you recognized: The problem is the preflop game.

      Why shouldn’t we call after someone reraised behind us (especially with overcards)?

      In this hand we are first in on the Button and make a normal raise according to the SHC. But we get a minraise from the Big Blind.

      Why is a call the wrong play?

      With overcards we hit the flop only in 1 out of 3 cases. Since we called a reraise the player who raised preflop will often bet in a heads-up situation. Now we have the problem that we have to fold in 2 out of 3 times because we cannot call with ace high although we might have the best hand. Especially with hands like AK that can often be the case and it will cost us a lot of money in the long run. A call with overcards always has a lower EV than a normal push or fold (according to the short stack strategy).
    • Mashadar
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      as said before, I am a tournament player, new to the SSS, and cash games.

      I would fold here, you are in the so-called. sand-witch position. even when you call, there is still a chance that the SB really hit something, and will re-raise you. you will really have to fold this, since you have absolutely nothing..