[NL2-NL10] NL50 - All-in on the flop (2)

    • Kknight
      Kknight
      Global
      Joined: 30.04.2007 Posts: 374
      Hand 1:
      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed)

      UTG+1 ($47.45)
      MP1 ($26.05)
      MP2 ($55.60)
      CO ($49.50)
      Button ($34.70)
      Hero ($9.50)
      BB ($68.80)
      UTG ($167.15)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 8:diamond: , 8:club: .
      UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], CO calls $0.50, [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises to $4[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $3.50, CO calls $3.50.

      Flop: ($13) 2:spade: , 6:club: , A:club: [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets $5.5 (All-In)[/color], UTG+1 calls $5.50, CO calls $5.50.

      Turn: ($10.50) Q:club: [color:#0000FF](3 players, 1 all-in)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]UTG+1 bets $1.5[/color], CO calls $1.50.

      River: ($13.50) T:heart: [color:#0000FF](3 players, 1 all-in)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]UTG+1 bets $4[/color], [color:#CC3333]CO raises to $8[/color], UTG+1 calls $4.

      Final Pot: $48.50

      I've got less than 1/2 the pot on the flop, so it's a push, right?


      Hand 2:
      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB

      Button ($7.30)
      SB ($16.20)
      BB ($42.90)
      UTG ($50.50)
      UTG+1 ($8)
      Hero ($9.75)
      MP2 ($13.20)
      CO ($50)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K:diamond: , A:diamond: . CO posts a blind of $0.50.
      [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises to $2.5[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], CO (poster) calls $2, [color:#666666]3 folds[/color].

      Flop: ($5.75) 8:diamond: , J:club: , 9:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets $4[/color], [color:#CC3333]CO raises to $8[/color], Hero calls $3.25 (All-In).

      Turn: ($20.25) 3:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)[/color]

      River: ($20.25) 5:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)[/color]

      Final Pot: $20.25

      CO raised my c-bet, but I'm only being asked to call $3.25 into a $17.75 pot, so I figured I couldn't fold.

      Thanks,
      Kknight
  • 6 replies
    • degnic
      degnic
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.02.2007 Posts: 3,953
      against 3 limpers, I would just complete hand1 and play for set value. Hand2 hits your villain so often, and you don't have many outs, so actually I would play check/fold here. Maybe it's bit weak but the flop is almost worst possible.
    • Nunki
      Nunki
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.10.2006 Posts: 865
      1) Against most players just completing here is fine. A standard-sized raise is too often going to lead to difficult post-flop play being OOP with a bloated pot. Open-pushing is alright here too.

      2)OOP with a board that could have hit villain in so many ways I agree with Degnic and probably c/f.
    • Kknight
      Kknight
      Global
      Joined: 30.04.2007 Posts: 374
      On hand 1 I was actually ahead of both players when I pushed the flop. They were both chasing the flush...which they of course both hit on the turn :(

      Also, I find that most of the time a standard raise here is enough to get it heads up...this was just an exceptionally loose table with two players calling because "my cards are suited! I can't fold these!" One was Kxs the other was Jxs...the x was a low rag in both cases :rolleyes:

      Thanks,
      Kknight
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Hi Kknight!

      I think that you played Hand 1 correctly. There is a lot of dead money in the pot and you often have the best hand preflop after so many players limped. For this reason a raise is the right play here imo. Push on an A-high flop is correct too because you cannot fold here anymore with your stacksize and you can easily have hit the ace. Nice hand!

      In hand 2 I agree with degnic and Nunki.

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • Kknight
      Kknight
      Global
      Joined: 30.04.2007 Posts: 374
      Originally posted by Puschkin81
      In hand 2 I agree with degnic and Nunki.
      @Puschkin, degnic & Nunki

      What is the deciding factor here? Or is it a combination of all factors (OOP, very coordinated flop.) The reason I ask is that I thought SSS heads up is ALWAYS a c-bet. Also, conceivable calling hands would include low pocket pairs, which would likely fold on a board like this, correct?

      Thanks,
      Kknight
    • Berliner1982
      Berliner1982
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.07.2006 Posts: 5,644
      Hand 1.)
      Honestly I open just complete here, when I´m not sure that my chance that everybody fold it over 60% and only play for set Value.
      Put like played, its the right Move to go All-In on the Flop, only a Flushdraw and Pocket 66 or 22 should call here. An Ace should be on the flop anyway. ;)

      Hand 2.)
      Tough the CO Poster can hold any 2 here. Often they just hit an 8, 9 or the Jack and Push since they believe you´re on 2 Overcards. Honestly I go broke here as well. If he has a Pair, I still have 6 Outs + 2.5 Outs for my Backdoor Straight and Flushdraw. So I after discounting maybe 7 Outs and I need 6:1 to call and I get 6.2:1, since I only have to call $3.25 to win $20.25.

      But its not a mistake to fold here.