QQ or AK vs a reraise

    • Escobario
      Joined: 17.01.2009 Posts: 183
      these are probably the hands i have the most trouble with as i struggle to get away from them

      for instance:

      player 1 with a stack of 40bb bets 3bb from UTG2, player 2 with a deepstack raises his bet X3, i have QQ or AK with a deepstack, i should fold right?

      another hand which is reaaaally lame is AA or KK, for instance, i have KK, bigstack raises from CU, im on BU and reraise him x3, he calls. flop comes 4s 3s 9h. CU checks, i raise potsize, CU reraises me x2.5.... he could be on a flushdraw or something, so i reraise allin and get called by the guy with a set of 3s... how are you supposed to get away from this hand on this flop?

  • 7 replies
    • Escobario
      Joined: 17.01.2009 Posts: 183
      actually i think i know i should fold AK or QQ to a reraise, its jsut hard.

      i need more help with the second scenario having AA or KK after the flop and getting action, also if i have AK and an A or K flops and i get too much action say flop Ah 9s 3s i raise and get reraised or called then reraised on the turn, often lose my whole stack to sets like this
    • radyan111
      Joined: 03.07.2008 Posts: 1,151
      If you hold an overpair with AA or KK in a 3bet pot with 100bb stacks you have to go all-in by default and be happy about it.

      If you 3bet preflop the way you should (3x or 3.5x the original raise) then with 100bb stacks your opponent doesn't get enough implieds to play for set value with his low pocket and makes a mistake by calling.

      The same goes for AK that hits tptk, you can't be afraid of playing for stacks in such scenarios.

      You will get a lot of value from hands like QQ-TT or top pair hands. You can't avoid an occassional loss to a set.
    • Escobario
      Joined: 17.01.2009 Posts: 183
      ok. so really i didnt do anything wrong that KK hand i just got unlucky,

      about the original topic, if a pot is raised then reraised in front of me i fold AK right?

      what if i raise and somone 3bets me when i have AK, do i fold? even if its suited?

    • thazar
      Joined: 14.09.2009 Posts: 6,560
      as a basic strategy you should fold to a 3bet if you have not entered the hand with Ak or QQ and you have a full stack. It just can give you some very difficult decision post folp.

      try to put your oponent on a hand range and then decide if it is profitable to call with QQ or AK,

      Ie: if your opponent 3bet with JJ+, AK for example it is not profitable to push there. however if you know your opponent 3 bets with 99+, AJ+ it is. with no info I would fold.
    • Escobario
      Joined: 17.01.2009 Posts: 183
      Full Tilt Poker Game #19276508308: Table Haul (deep) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:07:02 ET - 2010/03/15
      Seat 1: briano84 ($8.07)
      Seat 2: lester1456 ($22.87)
      Seat 3: magic_boo2 ($10)
      Seat 4: Eli Cache 62 ($23.93)
      Seat 5: roger59ky ($40.12)
      Seat 6: Esco86 ($10)
      Seat 7: sirschlitzi1 ($7.51)
      Seat 8: nightmoon4 ($10)
      Seat 9: astapor ($10.83)
      Esco86 posts the small blind of $0.05
      sirschlitzi1 posts the big blind of $0.10
      The button is in seat #5
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to Esco86 [Ac Ad]
      nightmoon4 folds
      astapor folds
      briano84 folds
      lester1456 calls $0.10
      magic_boo2 folds
      Eli Cache 62 folds
      roger59ky has 15 seconds left to act
      roger59ky folds
      Esco86 raises to $0.50
      sirschlitzi1 calls $0.40
      lester1456 folds
      *** FLOP *** [4s Ts Jc]
      briano84: thought qq
      Esco86 bets $1
      sirschlitzi1 raises to $2.50
      Esco86 has 15 seconds left to act
      Esco86 raises to $9.50, and is all in
      sirschlitzi1 calls $4.51, and is all in
      Esco86 shows [Ac Ad]
      sirschlitzi1 shows [Th Td]
      Uncalled bet of $2.49 returned to Esco86
      *** TURN *** [4s Ts Jc] [Ks]
      *** RIVER *** [4s Ts Jc Ks] [Kd]
      Esco86 shows two pair, Aces and Kings
      sirschlitzi1 shows a full house, Tens full of Kings
      sirschlitzi1 wins the pot ($14.12) with a full house, Tens full of Kings

      so.... this is the sorta thing im talking about

      opinions on this would be much appreciated, i figured he could have anything from AJ to KQ or ace 5x suited, should i have called his bet? reraised smaller to see where im at? i dunno if i made the right play in the circumstance
    • thazar
      Joined: 14.09.2009 Posts: 6,560
      please use the hand converter it's not pleaeant to look at and not easy to analyse

      please :)
    • peche025
      Joined: 14.12.2008 Posts: 1,387
      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      MP1 ($8.07)
      MP2 ($22.87)
      MP3 ($10)
      CO ($23.93)
      Button ($40.12)
      Hero (SB) ($10)
      BB ($7.51)
      UTG ($10)
      UTG+1 ($10.83)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
      3 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.40, 1 fold

      Flop: ($1.10) 4, 10, J (2 players)
      Hero bets $1, BB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $9.50 (All-In), BB calls $4.51 (All-In)

      Turn: ($15.12) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: ($15.12) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: $15.12

      This is not a 3 bet pot, so you'll often face people calling your raise to try hit a set. If I were you I'd put it in the hand forum and let a judge take a look and give you his opinion.