# Call or Fold (funny question)

• Bronze
Joined: 22.03.2009
You play NL50,
SB and BB both have 50\$
you are in SB and call, BB check
board KKKKA
all check to river and then at river:
- SB check
- BB push all in,
if you call, you lose 1\$ more (because of rake)
would you call or fold
• 14 replies
• Bronze
Joined: 14.01.2010
Ugh, I can't stand when people do this. It's so obviously a chopped pot and yet they push to donate rake.

I guess folding with the nuts is +EV here.
• Bronze
Joined: 22.03.2009
then his push is +EV with people like you and me
• Bronze
Joined: 25.10.2008
• Bronze
Joined: 11.11.2009
Originally posted by chuongdk
then his push is +EV with people like you and me
exactly, you dont fold, you just call, earn some points as well LOLsss
• Bronze
Joined: 14.01.2010
Originally posted by chuongdk
then his push is +EV with people like you and me
Good point. Even though I know I'm losing money, maybe I'm just calling out of principle. Can't let these suckas get away with it right? It's tough when all you have put in the pot voluntarily is a SB though. LOL
• Bronze
Joined: 11.11.2009
your best bet if you're first to act is to shove, any game theory experts here to comment? lol
• Bronze
Joined: 01.12.2008
yes you made a critical mistake by not shoving. The definition of mistake that I use is any play which is not optimal. IT IS NOT OPTIMAL TO CHECK! WHERE'S THE KILLER INSTINCT!?! EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS!!!
• Bronze
Joined: 06.05.2008
I'm not sure of the maths but I would guess that if the villan in the sb will fold even 2 - 3% of the time (and a few out there will as shown in previous posts) then the shove is the optimal move if you are first to act.
• Bronze
Joined: 24.06.2009
such a nit! check with the nuts
• Bronze
Joined: 25.10.2008
such a nit! check with the nuts
• Bronze
Joined: 24.06.2009
^^ lol

and now for real... i have to fold ..
fold=-0.5\$
call=-1.50\$

but i would have shove first to
• Black
Joined: 20.02.2008
if you lose the hand you win the bad beat jack pot, and you have to fold to lose the hand.