@%^&# My Life

    • Joronamo
      Joronamo
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.10.2008 Posts: 649
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $26.60
      MP2:
      $25.00
      MP3:
      $61.60
      CO:
      $31.78
      BU:
      $9.83
      SB (Hero):
      $32.27


      Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 8.
      MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $1.00, MP3 calls $1.00.

      Flop: ($3.75) 8, A, 3 (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 checks.

      Turn: ($3.75) 2 (3 players)
      Hero bets $2.75, BB folds, MP3 calls $2.75.

      River: ($9.25) 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $6.50, MP3 raises to $18.75, Hero raises to $28.27, MP3 calls $9.52.

      Final Pot: $65.79.

      Results follow:

      MP3 shows four of a kind, twos(2s 2h).
      Hero shows a full-house, eights full of twos(8c 8d).

      MP3 wins with four of a kind, twos(2s 2h).
  • 41 replies
    • tokyoaces
      tokyoaces
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.04.2009 Posts: 1,883
      I have three words for you:

      :spade: Standard
      :heart: Variance
      :diamond: Cooler
    • tcs35
      tcs35
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.01.2009 Posts: 3,583
      Unlucky mate although you played the hand bad
    • Sjamelot
      Sjamelot
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.07.2008 Posts: 385
      disagree with you toby
    • Fagin
      Fagin
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.05.2008 Posts: 544
      In addition to tokyoaces I also have 3 words for you -

      Bet
      The
      Flop

      :s_o:

      I can understand that you want to get the most from your set (we all get greedy in these circumstances at times) but by not C-betting the flop you have lost the initiative and allowed your opponent to get enough of the turn that he is going nowhere. After your raise from the blinds any bet on the flop ($2.50 +) and he folds as he missed his set and you are representing the A or any other pair that is beating him.

      Even if he makes the mistake of calling on the flop there is a good chance of getting it all in on the turn when you are ahead due to the increased size of the pot.

      In short he only won the hand because you let him. He still had to get lucky and hit his one outer but he should not have seen the turn IMHO.

      I too have made this mistake (not once, not twice but loads of times) and probably will again. This is a good example of a hand to learn from and an ideal lesson for all of us in how slowplaying a set can get you in trouble.

      It is always better to win a small pot than to lose a big one :s_love:

      Better luck next time.
    • Phgrinder
      Phgrinder
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      Joined: 16.02.2009 Posts: 1,002
      Originally posted by Fagin

      It is always better to win a small pot than to lose a big one :s_love:

      well said
    • tcs35
      tcs35
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.01.2009 Posts: 3,583
      Originally posted by Sjamelot
      disagree with you toby
      maybe you could justify?
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      ^^He set a trap Hellmuth style and got sucked out by this idiot from northern Europe
    • MaliSunSeT
      MaliSunSeT
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      Joined: 26.06.2009 Posts: 281
      I totally agree with Fagin - You def. should bet the flop.
    • roswellx
      roswellx
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      Joined: 05.12.2008 Posts: 599
      Always cbet flop TP+ obv. rest is unlucky...
    • supeyrio
      supeyrio
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      Joined: 11.11.2009 Posts: 3,106
      i believe a variation of play by checking is fine but.............
      in this situation, i would have liked to (value)bet the pot to add value as i wouldn't really expect mp to have the ace or be on any draws on an ace high dry board, hence he's most likely is going to check behind. and BB not being the preflop aggressor/not having absolute position may just check behind in hope for mp to fire or just hope to draw a free card.

      either ways, i doubt BB will give up his hand on the turn and if turn was played, this beat would have not been avoidable.

      hitting his 1 outer then would have just been a bad beat.

      cheer up! :f_biggrin:
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
      Black
      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Originally posted by Fagin
      In addition to tokyoaces I also have 3 words for you -

      Bet
      The
      Flop

      no.

      none of your reasoning makes any sense.
    • TerrorBlade
      TerrorBlade
      Black
      Joined: 16.10.2007 Posts: 1,922
      Wp, 1/~46 or whatever times he'll hit his backdoor quads, 45/46 times you'll stack the guy after he hits his set.

      EV+++
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,596
      Originally posted by TerrorBlade
      Wp, 1/~46 or whatever times he'll hit his backdoor quads, 45/46 times you'll stack the guy after he hits his set.

      EV+++
      But we can't just check the flop in hoping our player will hit a set so we win that 45/46 times.
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,596
      P.S. I think you need to grow some peach fuzz.
    • Ramble
      Ramble
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      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 1,421
      Originally posted by Kruppe
      Originally posted by Fagin
      In addition to tokyoaces I also have 3 words for you -

      Bet
      The
      Flop

      no.

      none of your reasoning makes any sense.
      Great discussion on the hand so far... Kruppe can you explain why this doesn't make sense to you? Fagin's reasoning sounds pretty logical to me, but I'm always looking for other perspectives.

      My thoughts... I would have c-bet the flop (~60% of pot) because I was the pre-flop aggressor and my opponents are expecting me to. If they fold OK, if they call or play-back at me GREAT! On the turn, I'd continue the aggression and if I wasn't all-in, I would be by the river for sure. (I also think it's fine as played though.)
    • TerrorBlade
      TerrorBlade
      Black
      Joined: 16.10.2007 Posts: 1,922
      Originally posted by justkyle88
      Originally posted by TerrorBlade
      Wp, 1/~46 or whatever times he'll hit his backdoor quads, 45/46 times you'll stack the guy after he hits his set.

      EV+++
      But we can't just check the flop in hoping our player will hit a set so we win that 45/46 times.
      That's exactly what we can do.
    • alejandrosh
      alejandrosh
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.07.2008 Posts: 4,346
      Originally posted by dwyt84
      Originally posted by Fagin

      It is always better to win a small pot than to lose a big one :s_love:

      well said
      results oriented thinking ITT
    • kaablikutt
      kaablikutt
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      Joined: 24.03.2009 Posts: 32
      Originally posted by TerrorBlade
      Originally posted by justkyle88
      Originally posted by TerrorBlade
      Wp, 1/~46 or whatever times he'll hit his backdoor quads, 45/46 times you'll stack the guy after he hits his set.

      EV+++
      But we can't just check the flop in hoping our player will hit a set so we win that 45/46 times.
      That's exactly what we can do.
      I think betting flop is better than checking, we will get paid if he hit board, if he didn`t, well we can`t check to the river, hoping to get some aggression. People call c-bets with Ax, faced cards, any PP, don`t see reason to check here.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
      Black
      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      if you bet flop, worst you can hope to get called by is Ax.
      Ax will bet flop anyway, and air can also bet flop as a bluff.
      if you check flop you also give opponents a chance to hit a hand on the turn that you can get value from (like 22).