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    • Ekkehard
      Ekkehard
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      Joined: 31.08.2007 Posts: 3
      I'm kind of new to online poker. (real money since last saturday)
      Eventhough I do everything the SSS demands I just keep losing.
      I started on 50$, went down to 30$, up again to 45$ and now I'm just falling and falling. tonight, I've arrived at 12$. (I have about 300 party points atm) that kind of worries me, since I don't really wanna lose all my money ._. It's not like i make a lot of mistakes or emotional-all-ins (or whatever you wanna call'em) I'm just reallllly unlucky. yesterday i counted my KKs and AAs that get beaten by pure luck (low sets/trips on river, low flush with cards 4 and 5 ond turn and river and stuff like that) and it was quite disillusioning... a grand total of 1 KK actually made money, about 1/3 AA/KK collected blinds and the rest caused huge losses(usually the stack).
      I play at 6 tables at once. I only play at tables with enough players. I only play at tables with max. 3 other shortstacks.

      well... there's not really that much i can do other than hoping for a bit of luck tomorrow :/

      (btw. is it possible to tell texas grabem to save ALL hands? maybe i still make some stupid mistake that i don't know of. [since i always forget to save the losing hand, i can't post it in the forum :( ].)
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    • Classical
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      All your hands are saved automatically (on my machine at C:\Program Files\PartyGaming\PartyPoker\HandHistory\<username>\) as .txt files. You can just open those files with Grab'em and go over all your hands. Filter out the hands "where Hero folds pre-flop" to save time. :) It is a very good idea to go over *all* played hands in the beginning. Maybe you could also play fewer tables at once to guarantee optimal concentration?

      I went down from $50 to $16 in pretty much a straight line in the beginning. Some bad luck was involved, but also a lot of bad play and tilt (not always consciously). But that is FL, maybe NL SSS the swings are worse? Good luck in any case!
    • Ekkehard
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      the first time i went down to 30$ i also made a lot of bad bets (and i always knew it :( ) but then i said to myself "stick to the strategy" and i went up again. but now it's going down ^^
      the problem is when i only play 1 or 2 tables i lose concentration because so little is going on, so i always play at least 4 tables.
      and thanks for the advice. i noticed the txt files, too but didn't know how to import them. I'll try again :)
    • Puschkin81
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      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Hi Ekkehard!

      I'm sorry to hear that you are not doing well at the moment. I recommend that you take a break, reread our articles, post your hands in our sample hands board and visit our live coachings. That should help.

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • blackstone1
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      Joined: 05.09.2007 Posts: 105
      Hi all :)

      I am also trying your strategy and I learned already alot from it :) . Well i started playing couple days ago and I must say i did not profit or loose much i was basically either up for a stack or down for a stack. (i did make 1 or 2 mistakes for a stack > where i missed the flop and bet to a pot when there was 2 players after a raise where i shouldnt. I didnt see there were two guys calling me even since i tried to 4 table ;P

      ... but now i patiently wait and play the best I can with this strategy.
      I must say i was looking forward to go n play tonight and make some cash.

      I played 4 tables > shortstack strategy nl(0.05-0.10) > my results were +3 stacks and -8 stacks(in about 2 hours of playing).

      So im down atm for 5 stacks. I must say i played it right in all cases, I just was not lucky I lost two stacks with AK to a flush on the river or when i went all in preflop when i 3betted one guy, then i lost a stack with a set of AA on flop to a straight :) , with TT i had 3.5:1 and i went all in after reraise from behind and one more hand I really cant remember :) anymore.

      Anyway Ill try my best to get it back up :) where it belongs.... I am also reading alot of articles, and I already have some previous experience in playing poker but I never tried playing shorstack :) .

      I want to ask you the experienced ones do u also have beats like that, even if you play your best, even if you play the right cards in right position, even if you follow everything thats recommended and you still go down like this ? Question is do you go up like this as well :P ? Or can I expect even more loss in stacks even if you play it right and if yes for how much did u go down the most in like 2 hour session.

      ty :)
    • aciddrop
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      Hey Blackstone. Yes, everyone, I mean EVERYONE, suffers this. It certainly feels like suffering, when you do everything right, and someone who does it all wrong beats you.

      So think about that. Who are you going to be able to win money from? Certainly not someone who only plays correctly against you. Either they will win money from you, or you will be break even against them and the casino rake will cost you both money.

      The person who plays badly, incorrectly, who calls instead of folding, raises when they have nothing because they believe bluffing is scary, etc, etc, will beat you. Sometimes. It will seem like they always beat you when they shouldn't, but that isn't true. The mathematics holds up over the long term. You WANT these people to play this way, because they provide your winnings. If they didn't sometimes get a reward for their bad play, they would just stop, and you wouldn't have anyone to get your money from.

      There is a reference in another thread here somewhere to an article that Sklansky wrote about poker learning, you should find that and read it if you can. Poker learning is really understanding this concept. Poker does not, unlike most sports, passtimes or activities, reward the best play with the best result in each contest. It guarantees that the correct decision taken in each situation will lead to a positive outcome over time. That is winning. You will make money.

      Personally, and I have written this before, I can tell you that I have experienced sessions from hell before. Every experienced player will know the same. My worst? My first NL50 session on Titan poker. After being successful at NL20, and moving up, I played 300 hands, and lost 12 buy-ins. That is 12 x $10, which was more than I had won in two weeks at the previous level. Devestating! In reviewing the hands, there were some marginal situations where I could have saved myself a half stack maybe, but I played AA, KK, QQ, AK etc, and other hands according to the SHC, and I didn't win. Even the preflop all-ins, with the Big Pocket Pairs, got cracked. I have learned to read the signs a bit better now, and these days, when I see that starting to happen, I call it quits once it gets to six buy-ins or so. Poker will still be there when I come back next time.

      Most important thing? Don't hate yourself when your correct play loses pots to bullshit. Don't feel humiliated, intimidated or overwhelmed. You haven't done the wrong thing, you are not inferior. In fact, you have made money. A correct decision wins money, regardless of the outcome of the particular hand it was made in. Conversely, an incorrect decision costs money, also regardless of the outcome of the hand in which it was made. The only challenge here is to keep reviewing, keep seeking the truth of situations, and increase your skill. Increase the number of correct decisions that you make. And dip your lid to the donks, god bless em, where would we all be without them?
    • blackstone1
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      great post acid :) . yeh its totally true what you are saying, but u know people always talk about long term and so on, and when u loose couple of stacks where you shouldnt u do wonder if you are a winning player or not, or if strategy is right or wrong :0.

      I really liked your post it reassured me completely. However i wanted to know since u guys talk about long term.

      Im wondering how much profit do u actually make on low micro stakes maybe in a month(which is not a long term right ?) - (on avg. or when its a bad month or good month)how much u go up and how much u go down. thx m8.
    • aciddrop
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      Well, it is dependent on how much you can play really. Consider that a good win rate is 1.5 Big Bets per 100 hands played. How much can you make at micro limits?

      If you average this win rate, which, with time and a reasonable run of cards and a reasonable standard of play, you should be able to attain, then how quickly you can build your bankroll in order to begin the move up a level depends on how quickly you play the required hands.

      As with any business, your money is better off working for you then it is sitting in your bank doing nothing. Most players, once they have become familiar with the required standard of play regarding starting hands, begin to have more time on their hands, and increase the number of tables they play. This has the advantage of having more of your bankroll working for you, and increases the hands per hour you can play, and therefore, your win rate. Theoretically. It also means when you are in a downswing, you lose more of your bankroll at once, which can be quite a shock. The more tables you play concurrently, the more difficult it can be to remain focussed, and more mistakes creep in, so this can have the effect of reducing the win rate somewhat. I'm sure you are familiar with this concept. This is not an encouragement to jump on as many tables as you can, because that would be a mistake. When you are ready, you will naturally try, and find your own comfort level. It seems when you are playing the micro limits that it is not possible to ever make enough to break even sometimes, never mind increasing the bankroll and moving up. But this happens much more easily than you can imagine.

      I have been playing now since October last year. I started on FL, but early this year switched to NL. I had moved up to the .5/1 blind level of FL, and was treading water over 25k hands, so decided to try the SSS at NL for a change. Initially I lost, because it is quite different, and I had to relearn the basics for the different style, combined with the fact that the cards were a bit unkind at the same time. Nevertheless, the long term effect kicked in, and I have become a winning player at NL, which I enjoy very much. My combined bankroll on the different sites I play is just over $4.5k, and none of it is my starting capital. It is made up of the PS $150, various reload and other bonuses, and winnings. In the almost 12 months I have been playing, I have improved incredibly, enough so that in spite of my continuing mistakes, I am +ev, and with the level of my BR, I can play up to NL100 BSS on Titan, on up to 6 tables at once, and my hourly rate is quite respectable. Does it get better than this? Well, yes it does. Provided I continue my learning, which should lead to a reduction in my mistakes, I will build the bankroll to enable playing at higher levels still. In the next 12 months, I could conceivably be earning as much from poker as I do from my employment. Heady stuff! And even if I don't quite make that, I will be somewhere down the road towards it. It is certainly a goal which I consider achievable.

      Twelve months ago, I had $50 from Poker Strategy, and no idea.

      So, how quickly things can happen is anybodys guess. Concentrate on putting the correct practice in place with the resources you have, and let the rest take care of itself. It will.
    • blackstone1
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      hej again m8 :)
      well i played good again and went slightly up n down, thought already i will breakeven today again playing for 3 hours on 4 tables, since i lost two stacks one with AA and one guy pushed me all in with QJ which he hit, and AQ and again some guy pushed me all in and had A3 and hit 33 on flop :) .

      Then i got couple of guys back once with KK and the biggest pot i got was with a trash hand AQ which i raised and got called on two spots, flop was no good for me and i was already considering folding, since there was 2 players in, one guy bet and then i saw pot was so large i pushed all i had :) and they both had nothing :)

      Was really funny experience since i normally would never do that :) but this sss is great :) i really like it :p. I really wonder about silver articles and gold. it really showed me how to look on poker starting from basics like this sss :) ty.
    • jakes82
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      Joined: 14.10.2007 Posts: 14
      All of these people seem to have some really good advice to offer you, but it seems to me that one thing has slipped under the radar. you mention how new you are to poker....well perhaps you might consider not playing 6 tables at once. There is no way you can be learning anything from playing this many tables, it just becomes a game of point click and move on. only once you have ALOT of experience and are sure that you are a "winning" player over time should you try to maximise your tables played : profit per table ratio.

      Try playing only one or two tables at a time and really paying more attention to the details that come with each individual situation, it will be far more benificial to you poker education, and most likely to your bankroll aswell...