Bet vs Raise vs 3bet/4bet/5bet/6bet

    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      Hey everyone,

      I'm seeing a lot of people across all forums misusing these terms. So I thought I'd create a sticky to explain it all once and for all.

      The confusion arises from what seems like a difference in terminology when describing preflop vs postflop action. So we will first explain these terms in the context of postflop.

      Postflop:

      If it's checked to someone or if someone is first to act, that person "bets".

      Raising this bet is then referred to as a raise or a "2-bet".

      Reraising this raise is then referred to as a reraise or a "3-bet".

      Reraising this is then referred to as a re-reraise (if you're retarded) or a "4-bet" (if you're sensible).

      And so on..

      Preflop:

      The confusion is because of preflop. In no limit and fixed limit games, people post a blind. This blind is actually short for a "blind bet". Therefore when someone raises this "blind" bet, it is referred to as a raise.

      That is why if someone raises this raise, it is then referred to as a "3-bet" or a "reraise".

      4-bets, 5-bets and 6-bets follow on logically.


      I will now illustrate these concepts with some examples from cash games.


      3-bet Examples:

      Preflop:

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
      SB ($267)
      BB ($81.45)
      UTG ($359)
      UTG+1 ($293)
      CO ($213)
      Hero ($200)

      Dealt to Hero 2:club: K:heart:

      fold, fold, CO raises to $7, Hero raises to $21, fold, fold, fold

      Hero shows 2:club: K:heart:

      Hero wins $17

      Postflop:

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
      SB ($205)
      BB ($305)
      Hero ($263)
      UTG+1 ($360)
      CO ($152)
      BTN ($200)

      Dealt to Hero 6:club: 5:club:

      Hero raises to $7, fold, CO calls $7, fold, fold, fold

      FLOP ($17) A:club: T:diamond: 5:diamond:

      Hero bets $11, CO raises to $26, Hero raises to $41, CO folds

      Hero shows 6:club: 5:club:

      Hero wins $66


      4-bet Examples:

      Preflop:

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
      SB ($221)
      BB ($147)
      UTG ($270)
      UTG+1 ($165)
      CO ($217)
      Hero ($200)

      Dealt to Hero A:spade: 3:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $21, fold, Hero raises to $44, fold

      Hero shows A:spade: 3:diamond:

      Hero wins $44

      Postflop:

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
      SB ($185)
      Hero ($101)
      UTG ($100)
      CO ($183)
      BTN ($269)

      Dealt to Hero J:heart: T:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $5, Hero calls $4

      FLOP ($10) K:diamond: 7:spade: 9:club:

      SB bets $7.50, Hero raises to $15, SB raises to $36, Hero raises to $95, SB folds

      Hero shows J:heart: T:heart:

      Hero wins $79


      5-bet Examples:

      Preflop:

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
      SB ($119)
      BB ($21)
      UTG ($55.84)
      CO ($352)
      Hero ($109)

      Dealt to Hero 3:heart: A:heart:

      fold, CO raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $10, fold, fold, CO raises to $25, Hero raises to $109 (AI), fold

      Hero shows 3:heart: A:heart:

      Hero wins $51.50

      Postflop:

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
      SB ($153)
      BB ($184)
      Hero ($99.50)
      CO ($46.60)
      BTN ($84.95)

      Dealt to Hero A:club: T:spade:

      Hero raises to $4, fold, fold, SB calls $3.50, fold

      FLOP ($9) A:heart: 9:club: 8:heart:

      SB checks, Hero bets $6.50, SB raises to $13, Hero raises to $19.50, SB raises to $26, Hero raises to $95.50 (AI), SB calls $69.50

      TURN ($200) A:heart: 9:club: 8:heart: J:diamond:

      RIVER ($200) A:heart: 9:club: 8:heart: J:diamond: 6:spade:

      SB shows 8:diamond: Q:heart:
      (Pre 36%, Flop 22.8%, Turn 11.4%)

      Hero shows A:club: T:spade:
      (Pre 64%, Flop 77.2%, Turn 88.6%)

      Hero wins $197


      6-bet Examples:

      Preflop:

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
      SB ($201)
      BB ($314)
      UTG ($309)
      CO ($200)
      Hero ($292)

      Dealt to Hero K:diamond: A:heart:

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $6, fold, BB raises to $22, Hero raises to $48, BB raises to $100, Hero raises to $292 (AI), fold

      Hero shows K:diamond: A:heart:

      Hero wins $201
  • 9 replies
    • AtomicReaction
      AtomicReaction
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      Always nice when the mod takes the initiative to make people look less like donks :f_p:

      Thanks chenny. A lot of the advice makes -way- more sense now.
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      Hey Chenny,

      I have made this into a sticky for you in this forum (Sample Hands SnG <$5).

      If you would like it moving into another thread then please let me know and i will do that for you ;)

      Kind Regards,
      -Steve
    • Rhymenoceros
      Rhymenoceros
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      Hi all

      I was just wondering if someone could do me an explanation on 3 betting ( in MTT's mainly). A kind of when where how and why for it. Also, how come this isn't covered anywhere in the MTT Strategy articles? I'm starting to feel like this is a big leak if I'm not doing it enough in deeper stacked MTT's.

      I know it often doesn't apply much further than all-in for Sit n Goes because we are not deep enough most of the time.

      Also sorry if this is posted in the wrong section but just thought it would be sensible to post a reply off this article.

      Thanks
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      3bet shoving (aka restealing) or 3betting small for example in position?
    • Rhymenoceros
      Rhymenoceros
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      3 betting smaller. I fully understand three bet shoving as a blind resteal. What confuses me is where we make the transition from 3 betting small IP and 3 bet shoving OOP.

      I.e, how deep should we ideally be before we three bet small? ( i know its clear if we only have a couple of BB's behind then there is no point leaving money behind)

      Following my other post I found a brief which seemed to explain things a little.

      Seem like good advice?

      http://tworags.com/blog/bond18/post/1150/things_it_took_me_a_while_to_learn_part_5_3_betting4_betting
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      I'm not sure if that link is even allowed, but:

      While I respect bond18 as a tournament player and I really enjoy his style of writing (his is the only blog I read these days).. one should be very wary of reading articles and strategy posts made 3 years ago. Eg he and I would both agree that flatting 75s on the button vs a CO raise in today's games would be MUCH better assuming the blinds are not too squeezehappy (only very briefly skimmed the post sorry)
    • Gunn56
      Gunn56
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      Hi guys n gals. I currently have a bankroll of 70 dollars. I want to take it seriously. Im going to begin reading basic to silver articles. Just curious what games should i be playing with this roll? I can only play up to 2 max as im just learning. Please inform with as much info as possible. Thanks for your help will be around alot . In this beginner sit n go forum till i move up to the next level.
    • Skraggy
      Skraggy
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      Gunn56>

      Following the 2% rule you'd need to play the $1 sng games till you have a $100 bankroll and then you move to the $2 ones. This excludes fee/rake.
    • homysimpson
      homysimpson
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      Is it applied in HU games?