[NL20-NL50] SH QQ in 3bet pot, oop, turn play

    • zobupasts
      zobupasts
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.04.2009 Posts: 310
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $28,85
      CO:
      $7,20
      BU:
      $26,95

      0,1/0,25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:spade: , Q:club:
      2 folds, CO calls $0,25, BU raises to $1,10, Hero raises to $3,50, 2 folds, BU calls $2,40.

      Flop: ($7,50) 2:diamond: , 4:diamond: , 3:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4,50, BU calls $4,50.

      Turn: ($16,50) T:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $9,25, Hero raises to $20,85 (All-In)

      Or should I bet myself usually? Betsizing?
  • 6 replies
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      I definitely 2nd barrel here. You want to get value from all the pocket pairs from 44 to JJ that might have called your 3bet.

      Checking the turn just offers free cards in a situation where villain will often check behind with his weaker hands. Any :diamond: or over cards on the River will either make life difficult or prevent you getting paid off, so I like to get the money in here.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I think it is fine
      he would often bet himself with pp-s, Ax hands and draws and you can get money in not worrying about river card
      Also it is good to balance that, since you´re often c/f there
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Hi Kaitz20,

      just to follow up on this, if we check the turn and villain checks behind, what would you do on the River if a K,A or another :diamond: comes?

      check call?
      bet fold?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      likely c/f with diamond
      maybe c/c with K and A
      but if you bet turn yourself you have the same problem with a lot larger pot :)
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      okay, thanks.
      Just checking: you don't have a problem with getting the money in with our hand on this turn card, but you are saying the benefit of check raising is that either:

      1. We keep the pot small if we are beaten and villain checks behind; or
      2. We save ourselves a difficult decision on a nasty river card?

      Also,you said about balancing. Because sometimes we would check fold in this situation. Do you mean if we did not having made hand, like with K :club: Q :heart: ?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      1) would likely never happen. Most players would bet with better hand than ours. if we check we give them to bet with worse hands
      2) yeah that is true when turn goes c/c and river is flushcard we can c/f

      Yes I think we would c/f there any overcards that doesn´t have flushdraw