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[NL20-NL50] JJ in 3b

    • VzLOM
      VzLOM
      Bronze
      Joined: 23.12.2007 Posts: 3,671
      unknown guy

      Mostly i just fold pre vs unknown but his 3b is kinda small and i decided to call ip.
      What d you think of calldown? we have good odds but it will be rarely bluff and we dont beat QQ-KK that can play this way too.
      What do u think of turning our hand into bluff on some point?
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($132)
      BB ($54.15)
      UTG ($59.20)
      Hero ($50)
      CO ($46.85)
      BTN ($54.50)

      Dealt to Hero J:heart: J:diamond:

      fold, Hero raises to $1.75, fold, BTN calls $1.75, fold, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $4.25, fold

      FLOP ($14) 8:club: 8:spade: A:heart:

      BB checks, Hero checks

      TURN ($14) 8:club: 8:spade: A:heart: A:diamond:

      BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

      RIVER ($26) 8:club: 8:spade: A:heart: A:diamond: 4:spade:

      BB bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50
  • 5 replies
    • Anger86
      Anger86
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      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      Hi VzLOM,

      I think, that turning this hand into a bluff is not a good idea.
      That's because, bluff = making a better hand to fold,
      but QQ, KK, Ax aren't going to fold often.

      I think that his 3betting, squeezing range easily could be:
      - all pairs
      - AJ+

      Which is why, I think way ahead/way behind play here is OK.

      Also, putting these ranges into equilator: AJ+, 22-TT, QQ+
      you are getting about 50% equity on all 3 streets.
      So, you are doing great here. Nice hand! Well played!
    • VzLOM
      VzLOM
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      Joined: 23.12.2007 Posts: 3,671
      22-TT, QQ+ you are getting about 50% equity on all 3 streets

      yes but what he's doin with lowpairs \ midpairs? Betting for value or for bluff? I think value is pretty think esp w lowpairs and if he would like to bluff he prob would bet flop and would bet bigger on next streets. But yeah - anyway its hard to fold here.
    • Anger86
      Anger86
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      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      Originally posted by VzLOM
      22-TT, QQ+ you are getting about 50% equity on all 3 streets

      yes but what he's doin with lowpairs \ midpairs? Betting for value or for bluff? I think value is pretty think esp w lowpairs and if he would like to bluff he prob would bet flop and would bet bigger on next streets. But yeah - anyway its hard to fold here.

      I think, he could be betting the T with that previously mentioned range, but on the R it could be like:
      AJ+, 77, 99, TT, QQ + , which is 35% equity for you, so calling small raise like 7.5 $ into 33.5 $ pot is OK call.
      Only against AJ+, TT, QQ + you are in a bad shape, about 15%, but if we put any other pair (except 88) in the range,
      then we can call profitably (getting about 3:1 odds and better).
      He is giving you about 4.5:1 odds
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I think you see boat more often than KK/QQ
      So I´d prefer folding river
      Since BB could be squeezing here then 4-bet/calling shove is also fine line to play your hand
    • VzLOM
      VzLOM
      Bronze
      Joined: 23.12.2007 Posts: 3,671
      I think you see boat more often than KK/QQ So I´d prefer folding river

      emm we are not beating both of them ) anyway...
      About squeze i think 4b\calling pre would be like turning our hand to bluff. Usually i can see that squezes against utg-mp openraises are stronger than co-bu raises so i think mainly this range could be pretty strong esp vs unknown.