How to play NL10 successfully?

    • bL1z
      bL1z
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      Joined: 08.09.2007 Posts: 27
      Hi,

      I recently passed the quiz and received $50,- on my PartyPoker account. I read some more articles until I was ready to play NL10.

      I try to stick as much as I can with the SHC for the SSS, and even re-read some articles, but I seem to lose more than win.

      I'm definitely not the one to criticize the SHC since I'm a beginner online (although I do have quite some experience at offline games). But, according to the SHC, there's only a few starthands worth playing. I do understand that I have to fold weak hands immediatly. But what happens, is that I sit down at a table for more than half an hour, folding every hand and losing blinds. When I do get a decent starting hand and make a normal raise, nearly everyone folds and I don't make any profit.

      Should I just continue this way of playing, because it will eventually be profitable?
      Or is there something I have to change about my game?

      Thanks in advance for helping me out!

      bL1z.
  • 7 replies
    • bL1z
      bL1z
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      Joined: 08.09.2007 Posts: 27
      Perhaps I should have posted this @ Cash Game Discussions.

      If so, I'm sorry. :P
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
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      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Hi bl1z!

      It's normal that you are sitting down at a table and keep folding your hands if you don't get any good starting hands according to the short stack strategy SHC. But many players here in the forum can assure you that this strategy is profitable in the long run, right guys? ;)
      To improve your game and avoid some mistakes in the future I recommend that you post some of your hands in the sample hands board but I see that you are already doing that :D

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • bL1z
      bL1z
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      Joined: 08.09.2007 Posts: 27
      Thanks for your feedback! :)

      I'll just keep on sticking with the SSS and I'll hopefully expand my bankroll. :D
    • aciddrop
      aciddrop
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      Joined: 08.10.2006 Posts: 1,519
      Hi bL1z. Sorry it’s taken me so long to get this post up, but I am busy with shift work, and family, so this is my first opportunity.

      My introduction to the NL10 SSS came after I had been playing Fixed Limit for eight months. My bankroll was over $700, but I had hit a period of 25k hands or so where I was EV neutral, and I couldn’t understand how to play in a way that might make a difference. I decided on the SSS because it seemed to offer a way to make simple decisions that were more often beyond question. So I began.

      After just over 2,000 hands, I had lost just over 18 buy-ins, which is $36. I had Poker Tracker by this time, so I could see the result of my play after every session. My heart was telling me that I must be playing badly, that I was a fool who knew nothing therefore I must be responsible. My head said I was doing what the strategy demanded, so how could I be responsible? Since I had the bankroll to cover the losses, I continued.

      The next 5,500 or so hands, I recovered 16 buy-ins, which is $32. I didn’t change the way I played very much. Perhaps somewhat, since I was obviously a beginner, so I may have let go some of the more marginal situations, but overall, I continued to play the starting hands, made the continuation bets where appropriate, and folded when I could.

      So, after 7,589 hands of NL10 played using the SSS, my PT stats are:

      Vpip 5.78 Pfr 4.69 AF 3.62 Wts 31.32 W$sd 48.68

      AF is probably too high, which may mean I went too hard in the early part. In any case, my BB/100 rate at the end of this time is –0.30. I decided that I could play the strategy, based on this result, and went to higher limits, stopping at each level long enough to confirm that I could play ok, eventually settling at the level my bankroll justified.

      Now I am going to present two scenarios using the above information.

      Scenario 1.

      I sit down as a beginner, having been given my $50 by Poker Strategy, and my first 2k hands are the same as above. I am in hell. I have only $14 left in the bankroll. I have no confidence in my play, the strategy, the advice I am getting from the forum, or the site I am playing on. My BB/100 is an astounding –9.0. I take my remaining money, put it on red at the Party Casino Roulette wheel, and keep doing that until it is gone. I declare poker to be a rip off, and abandon the experiment.

      Scenario 2.

      I sit down as a beginner, having been given my $50 by Poker Strategy, and my first 5.5k hands are the same as those above. This is fantastic! Everything I have been told is true, only it is actually better than that! My bankroll has increased to $82, and my winrate is 2.91 BB/100. I believe in the strategy, the expert advice is on the money, and I can’t believe how easy it is to take money off the morons who keep calling my premiums with their rubbish! Poker career, here I come!

      The truth I would best sum up by quoting a few lines from the Rudyard Kipling poem, IF.

      “If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
      If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
      If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
      And treat those two impostors just the same;”

      When we play our poker, the variance is a natural occurrence. It takes extreme form at times, much like the weather. It always passes, and becomes something else.

      As a matter of interest, I did some examination of the hands I played during this time. I particularly examined my AK hands.

      I received it 54 times at this level.
      Thirteen times, I won it preflop, either with a raise, or because the blind was folded to me.
      Eighteen times, I won it on the flop with a continuation bet.
      Twenty-three times I played it to a showdown, and lost it 17 times.
      In those hands, I was against KK once, which naturally lost.
      Lower pocket pairs, 13 times, (QQx5, TTx2, 99x1, 88x1, 77x1, 66x1, 33x2) for 12 losses. This should be roughly a coinflip. When I made did make a pair, I was beaten by a set.
      AT twice, for two losses.
      K8os, all in preflop, made top pair on the flop, and he got a fourth heart on the river for a K high flush. (The same thing happened with the one 33 hand.)
      J6os, he filled a gutshot 3-7 with a 5 on the river.

      I won as well, against K8os, AJ twice, KJos, and Q8os.

      It was not a good hand for me during this period.

      I would hope that all beginners have an easier introduction to NL10 than this was. But in any case, you can believe what you are told here. Keep at it, put in the time, develop discipline, and don’t get swept away by the impostors.

      I have added a couple of my AQ hands from the same period, just for a laugh. Enjoy.

      1)

      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)
      MP1:
      $15.66
      MP2:
      $10.45
      MP3:
      $14.60
      SB:
      $9.40
      BB:
      $12.20
      UTG+2:
      $2.30
      Hero:
      $1.85
      BU:
      $10.40

      0.05/0.10 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.8 by www.pokerstrategy.cc.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with Q:heart: , A:diamond:
      3 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, BU calls $0.50, 3 folds.

      Flop: ($1.25) Q:spade: , 7:spade: , 8:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.35 (All-In), BU calls $1.35.

      Turn: ($3.95) 3:spade:
      River: ($3.95) K:spade:


      Final Pot: $3.95

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows [ Qh, Ad ] a pair of Queens
      BU shows [ Qd, 5s ] a flush, King high
      BU wins $ 3.80 USD with a flush, King high.


      2)


      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)
      CO:
      $10.75
      MP2:
      $12.25
      Hero:
      $1.60
      SB:
      $14.45
      MP3:
      $2.40
      UTG+1:
      $2
      UTG+2:
      $6.80
      BU:
      $4.75
      MP1:
      $1.90

      0.05/0.10 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.8 by www.pokerstrategy.cc.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A:club: , Q:heart:
      UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.10, 5 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG+2 raises to $1.60, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.60 (All-In).

      Flop: ($3.30) J:spade: , Q:club: , T:spade:
      Turn: ($3.30) A:spade:
      River: ($3.30) 5:spade:


      Final Pot: $3.30

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows [ Ac, Qh ] two pairs, Aces and Queens
      UTG+2 shows [ 2c, 2s ] a flush, Ace high
      UTG+2 wins $ 3.15 USD with a flush, Ace high.
    • vladnz
      vladnz
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      Joined: 17.01.2007 Posts: 1,355
      wow aciddrop nice story :D
    • bL1z
      bL1z
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      Joined: 08.09.2007 Posts: 27
      I see the strategy works just fine. You have to deal with bad beats at the beginning, because the SSS will definitely pay off in the long run.

      Thanks a lot for your interesting story. It was fun to read. :)
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      @ Berlin: 2 hand I think that I would fold my AQ there:D , but nice story.
      @bL1z: You maybe could try choosing looser tables, where averege pots are 2$. There you should get enough action, ofcourse it could mean that your good hands will be beaten, but I´m quite used to it:) In the long run you should win . SSS isn´t just raising with premium hands, you often have to steal/re-steal, but since you are begginer I wouldn´t suggest do that before you reach back 50$ and maybe even 100$.

      To me SSS is all about suffering, I mostly played brake even game and loose 1-2 BB in one hour while I was playing on 12 tables. But then it comes upswing:P (or is it just normal play that my premium hands don´t crack by any two cards:D ) and you´ll earn back your lost money.