attractive VIP? other than 5PS/$1rake, what else??

    • supeyrio
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      other than the superb ps points : rake, what else? the bonus seems pretty bad, 350points per $5. thats at most 14%? the best cash back you can ever get is abt 25%?

      please correct me if my figures are wrong.
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    • elhh82
      elhh82
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      you get 30 points per $1 ==> 42.85% RB for the bonus. Not bad considering its 200%
    • delyron
      delyron
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      well that only means it's nice to play until you clear your bonus then leave and never look back..
    • elhh82
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      http://poker.williamhill.com/vip/vip-bonus-levels/

      has the full details on the vip scheme. I think it is quite comparable to the other iPoker rooms.
    • supeyrio
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      Originally posted by elhh82
      you get 30 points per $1 ==> 42.85% RB for the bonus. Not bad considering its 200%
      30 points per $1 is only for tourney's. look at the cash games!! the most u get is 10 points per $1 rake!
      anyhow the 5x ps points is 3months from the time u sign up with william hill or 3months from the date of the announcement?
    • supeyrio
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      Originally posted by supeyrio
      Originally posted by elhh82
      you get 30 points per $1 ==> 42.85% RB for the bonus. Not bad considering its 200%
      30 points per $1 is only for tourney's. look at the cash games!! the most u get is 10 points per $1 rake!
      anyhow the 5x ps points is 3months from the time u sign up with william hill or 3months from the date of the announcement?

      if i have an ipoker account already, i can still create one on this skin right?
    • supeyrio
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      double post
    • elhh82
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      I think you are not looking at the cash game rake correctly. Not sure what is the exact number, but it is now as low as you say.

      You need to consider that you get points for every raked hand that you played.

      That means that even though you only contributed 10 cents into the 100 dollar pot, you still get the full points from the rake generated by the 100 dollar pot.

      I think at the end of the day it should work out to about the same as the tournament points awarded.
    • supeyrio
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      Originally posted by elhh82
      I think you are not looking at the cash game rake correctly. Not sure what is the exact number, but it is now as low as you say.

      You need to consider that you get points for every raked hand that you played.

      That means that even though you only contributed 10 cents into the 100 dollar pot, you still get the full points from the rake generated by the 100 dollar pot.

      I think at the end of the day it should work out to about the same as the tournament points awarded.
      what u mean is, $5 rake from pot, each person gets 32 points?
      so if i play FR, raking $1 gives me 32/(5/9) = 57.6 points?
      doesn't make much sense, worse case scenario:
      if 350points clears $5 of rake, meaning to say 350/57.6 = 6.07, so for every $6.07 rake we generate, we get 5 back?
      bestcase scenario:
      and if we calculate using $0.02 rake from pot, each person gets 0.2 points,
      then in fr, 0.2/(0.02/9) = 90 points.
      and clearing of bonus would be 350/90 = 3.888. and for every $3.88 rake we generate, we get $5 back??
      below is the table from the site
      $0.01 - $0.02 0.2
      $0.03 - $0.05 0.50
      $0.06 - $0.1 0.70
      $0.11 - $0.20 1.0
      $0.21 - $0.50 2.5
      $0.51 - $0.75 4.5
      $0.76 - $1.00 6.0
      $1.01 - $1.25 8.0
      $1.26 - $1.50 9.5
      $1.51 - $1.75 11.0
      $1.76 - $2.00 13.0
      $2.01 - $2.25 14.5
      $2.26 - $2.50 16.0
      $2.51 - $2.75 20.0
      $2.76 - $3.00 24.0
      $3.01 - $5.00 32.0
    • elhh82
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      "so if i play FR, raking $1 gives me 32/(5/9) = 57.6 points?"

      i don't really get this.

      Like i said earlier, using 30 points per $1 is a good estimate. This is the same on other iPoker skins like Titan (17 points per $1).

      You can maybe read this as well:
      Titan Rakeback FAQ
    • supeyrio
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      Originally posted by elhh82
      "so if i play FR, raking $1 gives me 32/(5/9) = 57.6 points?"

      i don't really get this.

      Like i said earlier, using 30 points per $1 is a good estimate. This is the same on other iPoker skins like Titan (17 points per $1).

      You can maybe read this as well:
      Titan Rakeback FAQ
      still i do not really understand. according to the charts, $3.01 - $5.00 32.0.
      so example pot is $x and rake taken is $5 from the pot. so everyone in the hand gets 32 points? so if 9 people is in a hand, my "contributed rake" is $5/9 = $0.555 right? so for every $0.555 i "contribute" ( considering rake taken is $5), i get 32 points, which means every $1 i rake i get 56 points? i dont get the calculations here really.
    • NIVEKii
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      Originally posted by supeyrio
      Originally posted by elhh82
      "so if i play FR, raking $1 gives me 32/(5/9) = 57.6 points?"

      i don't really get this.

      Like i said earlier, using 30 points per $1 is a good estimate. This is the same on other iPoker skins like Titan (17 points per $1).

      You can maybe read this as well:
      Titan Rakeback FAQ
      still i do not really understand. according to the charts, $3.01 - $5.00 32.0.
      so example pot is $x and rake taken is $5 from the pot. so everyone in the hand gets 32 points? so if 9 people is in a hand, my "contributed rake" is $5/9 = $0.555 right? so for every $0.555 i "contribute" ( considering rake taken is $5), i get 32 points, which means every $1 i rake i get 56 points? i dont get the calculations here really.
      Actually, $5/9 is your dealt rake, not your contributed. It used to work like this on iPoker, but it doesn't anymore. My best guess (yes, read carefully, it's a guess :p) that you need to actually pay a certain amount of rake to get the points. I think you'd get 32 points then in your example, given that you put enough in the pot yourself.
    • gormless
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      Originally posted by supeyrio
      still i do not really understand. according to the charts, $3.01 - $5.00 32.0.
      so example pot is $x and rake taken is $5 from the pot. so everyone in the hand gets 32 points?
      Yes

      Originally posted by supeyrio
      so if 9 people is in a hand, my "contributed rake" is $5/9 = $0.555 right?
      Not necessarily.

      Points are based on dealt-contributed rake in iPoker skins, so you may have only posted the small blind and not personally contributed any rake, but you still get 32 points.

      If you want to work out how many points you got for personally contributed rake you would need to look at your personal rake in whatever tracker program you use and then look at the number of points earnt in that period and compare them.
      But as it depends how many hands you fold before the showdown, this figure will not be constant.

      Hope that helps.
    • supeyrio
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      thanks all, i think i will test it live! no harm! haha
    • Berzerger
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      Originally posted by supeyrio
      thanks all, i think i will test it live! no harm! haha
      They offer live games?! I'm moving my rollz right now!
    • supeyrio
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      Originally posted by Berzerger
      Originally posted by supeyrio
      thanks all, i think i will test it live! no harm! haha
      They offer live games?! I'm moving my rollz right now!
      yea..... :f_o:
    • opal99
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      Originally posted by gormless
      Originally posted by supeyrio
      still i do not really understand. according to the charts, $3.01 - $5.00 32.0.
      so example pot is $x and rake taken is $5 from the pot. so everyone in the hand gets 32 points?
      Yes

      Originally posted by supeyrio
      so if 9 people is in a hand, my "contributed rake" is $5/9 = $0.555 right?
      Not necessarily.

      Points are based on dealt-contributed rake in iPoker skins, so you may have only posted the small blind and not personally contributed any rake, but you still get 32 points.

      If you want to work out how many points you got for personally contributed rake you would need to look at your personal rake in whatever tracker program you use and then look at the number of points earnt in that period and compare them.
      But as it depends how many hands you fold before the showdown, this figure will not be constant.

      Hope that helps.
      well said! :f_cool:

      except you dont get points in blinds if you fold preflop ;)
      (it seems so to me, but there's chance i'm wrong ^^)

      This system prefers lose and LAGgy playing styles, so if you're nit multitabling all available tables, then your RB is lower..
    • gormless
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      Originally posted by opal99
      except you dont get points in blinds if you fold preflop ;)
      (it seems so to me, but there's chance i'm wrong ^^)
      Just checked, and as I thought, you do get MCPs from the blinds even if you fold preflop (this is in Mansion but I assume it applies to all iPoker skins) :)

      Don't know if everyone is aware, but you can display your MCP balance for the table from the options menu, under Table View I think.
    • moretti1970
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      rake correct is here rake
    • moretti1970
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      SUPERYRIO your table is incorrect of WILLIAMHILL :D :D :D
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