Seriously considering giving up poker for eternity

    • dember
      dember
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      Joined: 17.04.2009 Posts: 158
      Whatever move I make, I lose. Extremely depressing. Yes, I took time off from poker. Yes, my mood is good when I sit down. yes, I read and re-read the articles. But I just keep losing. Almost every hand. Yes I know it's just variance. Everything is just variance. But how can I spot time after time that my overpair is beaten by a flopped set? How can I know that someone just called with AA pre-floped and traps my QQ? How? Just tell me how? Please keep the "[x] variance" one-liners to yourself. I can't bear it. I have no talent, I cannot play poker, I am bad and I keep getting worse. Don't call it a downswing. It has an extremely detrimental effect on my self-confidence and self-esteem.
      I sit down confidently to play but if after the first 100 hands I am always down 20-30BB in every session for months I simply don't know how I'm supposed to look forward to playing again or cheer up or find courage or find anything meaningful in this game.
      Just make fun of me, so that it'll be easier to self-destruct.
      Perhaps this will be my last post.
  • 18 replies
    • aceonetheriver
      aceonetheriver
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      Joined: 26.12.2008 Posts: 591
      :s_cry: damn

      take a break, week or so, or change game, try new type (omaha, studd...)

      read my signature...

      take care :heart:
    • Broscatana
      Broscatana
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      Joined: 05.09.2009 Posts: 28
      Well let me tell u.... from experience i lost and lost and lost with a thousand traps ..... until i found the game that suit for me perfect...... SNg was perfect for me....cash table...disaster.....tournaments some time win some time loose but SNG best... I recommend that play those larger than 11+ $..... lower stack than is chaos...
      Dont worry had so many bad experience with kk losing vs aa or with QQ losing vs JJ cause flush or other stupid bad beats.....it happens.....but u only notice when u loose never when u win with a close tied hand
    • Skyscrapers
      Skyscrapers
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      Joined: 11.02.2010 Posts: 104
      i will follow with interest your attempts (if you do any) to quit poker. Good luck and please don't forget to post your progress regularly =)
    • conall88
      conall88
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      Joined: 02.01.2009 Posts: 1,715
      grab the last 100 hands from whatever poker tracker you use, zip it, and ask a kind soul on this forum to check it for mistakes.

      if ur playing SnG's, SnG wizard is defs worth looking at too.

      the fold button is also an important part of poker :f_biggrin:

      but yeah i rarely fold queens no matter the circumstances.
      the reason i asked for the hands is so we can determine if it really is bad luck or some leaks. if its leaks, u can fix that. if its bad luck , you can't :( .
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
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      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Poker is not for everyone, quit if you can, no point in playing something that causes only frustration unless you are masochist.
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Joined: 03.08.2009 Posts: 13,295
      I strongly recommend the use of tracking software. This way you can keep a track of the number of hands played. It is important not to freak out about your results until you have a good sample size of hands under your belt. We are talking 5k+ hands /at the very least/. If you are playing +EV you are likely to play through variance to some extent with a sample around this size. Of course, depending on your playing style 50k+ hands break-even swings have been reported as well as downswings over 10 buyins.

      The truth is, you may never win another hand. There are risks, that's poker. However, you are /likely/ to run around your expected value; that is statistics. The larger your sample size of hands the closer you can expect to find yourself to your expected value.

      Also, remember in situations where you get all-in with the best of it and lose, you should be happy. It's those situations which you are unsure of that require deep analysis. It may sound masochistic to be pleased with yourself when your Aces get cracked by 39o for the umpteenth time, but you /should/ be. The stats and maths will look after you in the long run, just keep working hard at your game. This includes reading books/articles and perhaps watching training videos. No-one is at a level where their game cannot be improved; learning to play is a life long occupation. Don't fret, stick with it.

      Oh, and one last thing. Remember, it's a game. If you are not winning; play because you are having fun. No other reason should be required ;)

      w34z3l
    • Grailer
      Grailer
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      Joined: 19.11.2009 Posts: 321
      poker is gambling

      if you dont like to gamble then poker is not for you
    • RMB
      RMB
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      Joined: 29.03.2008 Posts: 599
      Damn! i clicked and was hoping it was grailer quiting.
    • ihufa
      ihufa
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      Joined: 18.03.2008 Posts: 3,323
      Originally posted by RMB
      Damn! i clicked and was hoping it was grailer quiting.
      let's make a club
    • PocketAcesJohn
      PocketAcesJohn
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      Joined: 19.06.2008 Posts: 1,116
      2 choices:

      1) Quit

      2) Keep playing an stop caring about results.

      I know you dont want people going on about varriance so i'lll just make it short and sweet. If your playing S&G's varriance IS BRUTAL! Possible to have 600-1000 game breakeven stretches.
      I'm going to guess you 4 table max? and maybe play 16 a day? If thats the case you could be breakeven for like 2months. Either try and get your head around this or if you do keep playing you would probably be better off learning to play FR cash games.

      GL whatever you chosse though.
    • Grailer
      Grailer
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      Joined: 19.11.2009 Posts: 321
      how can I quit when i keep getting gifted hands like this lol

      This hand is called , "How to give yourself a bad beat"

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.04 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $6.66
      MP2:
      $4.06
      MP3:
      $6.88
      CO:
      $4.83
      BU:
      $4.17
      SB (Hero):
      $4.00


      Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 8.
      3 folds, BU calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.02, BB checks.

      Flop: ($0.12) Q, J, 4 (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, BU checks.

      Turn: ($0.12) 7 (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, BU checks.

      River: ($0.12) 5 (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, BU bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.36, BB folds, BU calls $0.28.

      Final Pot: $0.84.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a straight, eight high(6 8).
      BU shows a pair of jacks(J T).

      Hero wins with a straight, eight high(6 8).
    • Hahaownedlolz
      Hahaownedlolz
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      Joined: 24.04.2009 Posts: 1,755
      I've said the same thing in my blog about 10 times. But i really believe i can make some nice money in poker. So i just keep going, keep studying. Keep posting hands on the hand evaluation forum, and keep trying to improve.

      When you played a hand badly or are unsure what you should have done, post it in the hand evaluation forum.. It really helps alot.
    • PocketAcesJohn
      PocketAcesJohn
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      Joined: 19.06.2008 Posts: 1,116
      Originally posted by Grailer
      how can I quit when i keep getting gifted hands like this lol

      This hand is called , "How to give yourself a bad beat"

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.04 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $6.66
      MP2:
      $4.06
      MP3:
      $6.88
      CO:
      $4.83
      BU:
      $4.17
      SB (Hero):
      $4.00


      Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 8.
      3 folds, BU calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.02, BB checks.

      Flop: ($0.12) Q, J, 4 (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, BU checks.

      Turn: ($0.12) 7 (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, BU checks.

      River: ($0.12) 5 (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, BU bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.36, BB folds, BU calls $0.28.

      Final Pot: $0.84.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a straight, eight high(6 8).
      BU shows a pair of jacks(J T).

      Hero wins with a straight, eight high(6 8).
      How can we make you see that every thread isnt about you and your stupid hands?!?!?
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
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      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Your profile>Ignore List>Grailer
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Joined: 03.08.2009 Posts: 13,295
      Be nice guys ;)

      Save the surliness for the tables.

      w34z3l
    • PocketAcesJohn
      PocketAcesJohn
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      Joined: 19.06.2008 Posts: 1,116
      Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
      Your profile>Ignore List>Grailer
      HA, what a ledgend he's gone. Thanks man =)
    • Grailer
      Grailer
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      Joined: 19.11.2009 Posts: 321
      dember you play well but one problem


      TILT SCORE 71 OUT OF 100
    • RMB
      RMB
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      Joined: 29.03.2008 Posts: 599
      Originally posted by ihufa
      Originally posted by RMB
      Damn! i clicked and was hoping it was grailer quiting.
      let's make a club
      Count me in!
      NightFrostaSS

      Your profile>Ignore List>Grailer


      Then i will never find out when he quits.

      Im amazed at how Grailer posts hands on almost every thread he comments in.