[NL2-NL10] Flush K vs Flush A LOST !

    • calin1990
      calin1990
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.09.2009 Posts: 401
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $10.00
      MP3:
      $9.35
      CO:
      $10.00
      BU (Hero):
      $9.35
      SB:
      $3.40
      BB:
      $11.94
      MP1:
      $3.85


      Preflop: Hero is BU with K, J.
      2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.30, CO folds, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds.

      Flop: ($0.75) 2, 2, Q (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30.

      Turn: ($1.35) 7 (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero checks.

      River: ($1.35) 5 (2 players)
      MP3 bets $0.64, Hero raises to $1.60, MP3 raises to $4.56, Hero raises to $7.52, MP3 calls $4.19, Hero calls $1.23.

      Final Pot: $18.85.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a flush, king high(K J).
      MP3 shows a flush, ace high(6 A).

      MP3 wins with a flush, ace high(6 A).

      Huh .. what a hand. PLease tell me .. what i did wrong ??
  • 2 replies
    • ExMagnusxL
      ExMagnusxL
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.04.2010 Posts: 58
      Preflop is fine, KJs is a fairly speculative hand you are either ahead or dominated with it so its smart to proceed cautiously.

      On the flop after he checks to you your bet sizing is not so good, you have to ask yourself what is the reason you are betting? Can't be value betting since he could very well have your hand beat with an ace or pocket pair. Are you trying to get the weaker hand to call? Because there aren't really any weaker hands he could have since your K is beat by any ace, any pocket pair, or any hand that connected with the Q which are all in his range. By giving slightly better than 3:1 to call on the flop you are inviting any draws or overcards which his preflop raise indicates he is likely to have, to call. Raising 3/4 or more on the wet flop after he checks to you is much better because it give worse odds to call meaning he is more likely to fold if he missed that Q :diamond: or is on the nut flush draw.

      Your check on the river is also a mistake, second barreling here for 3/4 after the weak check call of the villain, who if he had connected with the flop would proly have reraised you then, should be standard since the turn card is unlikely to be of much use to him. Since it completes no draws, and doesn't help any strong starting hands which his raise indicate he proly has.

      On the river, your 2-bet is okay, but it should still be a little bigger, ~3x his raise so $1.90 would be better. When he 3-bets you seriously consider folding since you only have the second nut flush meaning any A :diamond: x :diamond: beats you. Especially after the very "I'm on a draw" line he took which you let him get away with. Also as a general rule of thumb any one who check/calls down to the river and then starts showing aggression usually has you dominated, not always but most of the time.
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,

      Originally posted by ExMagnusxL
      Preflop is fine, KJs is a fairly speculative hand you are either ahead or dominated with it so its smart to proceed cautiously.

      On the flop after he checks to you your bet sizing is not so good, you have to ask yourself what is the reason you are betting? Can't be value betting since he could very well have your hand beat with an ace or pocket pair. Are you trying to get the weaker hand to call? Because there aren't really any weaker hands he could have since your K is beat by any ace, any pocket pair, or any hand that connected with the Q which are all in his range. By giving slightly better than 3:1 to call on the flop you are inviting any draws or overcards which his preflop raise indicates he is likely to have, to call. Raising 3/4 or more on the wet flop after he checks to you is much better because it give worse odds to call meaning he is more likely to fold if he missed that Q :diamond: or is on the nut flush draw.

      Your check on the river is also a mistake, second barreling here for 3/4 after the weak check call of the villain, who if he had connected with the flop would proly have reraised you then, should be standard since the turn card is unlikely to be of much use to him. Since it completes no draws, and doesn't help any strong starting hands which his raise indicate he proly has.

      On the river, your 2-bet is okay, but it should still be a little bigger, ~3x his raise so $1.90 would be better. When he 3-bets you seriously consider folding since you only have the second nut flush meaning any A :diamond: x :diamond: beats you. Especially after the very "I'm on a draw" line he took which you let him get away with. Also as a general rule of thumb any one who check/calls down to the river and then starts showing aggression usually has you dominated, not always but most of the time.
      Looks fine :) I'm never 4-betting that river with the K-high flush, for all we know he could have some boats in his range as well as the nut flush. Whether you even call or not depends on how bad you think villain is. Most regs understand that when you raise that river it looks like you have the nut flush yourself, so they won't 3-bet anything that our K-high flush beat. If he's some random fish he could be overplaying some flushes so a call is more in order, tho still not mandatory against the tight ones.


      Hope it helps.