And i thought poker players were gamblers..

    • Hahaownedlolz
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      5. Way too risky.

      Many employees believe getting a job is the safest and most secure way to support themselves.

      Morons.

      Social conditioning is amazing. It’s so good it can even make people believe the exact opposite of the truth.

      Does putting yourself in a position where someone else can turn off all your income just by saying two words (“You’re fired”) sound like a safe and secure situation to you? Does having only one income stream honestly sound more secure than having 10?

      The idea that a job is the most secure way to generate income is just silly. You can’t have security if you don’t have control, and employees have the least control of anyone. If you’re an employee, then your real job title should be professional gambler.


      Source: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/07/10-reasons-you-should-never-get-a-job/





      So you think your a gambler because you play poker? People who have jobs those are the real gamblers! :D

      LOL i couldn't stop laughing after i read that article.. it's hilarious..
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    • ExternalUseOnly
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      i dont think im a gambler because i play poker
    • Hahaownedlolz
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      ^ I'm not saying you didn't miss the whole point of this thread.
    • degre
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      You see? Means that playing poker we're actually liberating ourselves :f_biggrin:
    • ihufa
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      that statement is just complete bullshit.

      when having a job you will have little to no variance on your monthly paycheck, and in most countries you'll have 6+ months of pay from the day you get fired, to make sure you have time enough to find a new job. And lastly a good employee isn't "two words away from getting fired".
    • arjun2001
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      Two words to brainwash: Steve Pavlina
    • andreibalint
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      Yeah, it's absolutely amazing to work 8 hours for a pizza and a beer. At least it's a safe paycheck.
    • alejandrosh
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      Originally posted by ihufa
      and in most countries you'll have 6+ months of pay from the day you get fired, to make sure you have time enough to find a new job.
      most countries?
    • ihufa
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      Originally posted by andreibalint
      Yeah, it's absolutely amazing to work 8 hours for a pizza and a beer. At least it's a safe paycheck.
      volunter work doesn't count as a job
    • ihufa
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      Originally posted by alejandrosh
      Originally posted by ihufa
      and in most countries you'll have 6+ months of pay from the day you get fired, to make sure you have time enough to find a new job.
      most countries?
      opposite of fewest countries
    • degre
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      Originally posted by ihufa
      Originally posted by alejandrosh
      Originally posted by ihufa
      and in most countries you'll have 6+ months of pay from the day you get fired, to make sure you have time enough to find a new job.
      most countries?
      opposite of fewest countries
      I think he means that your statement is incorrect, as I do.
    • Hadi
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      Now guys, no need for that sort of discussion, especially not when it's done by mass quoting :)

      Hadi
    • Atoks
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      OK what's with u people today? Asking for life advice and opening delicate and intricate topics, has the summer boredom begun already? :P

      I understand what the guy is trying to say. I also understand that every person that considers this issue is likely to see it in their own way and understand it completely differently. I have to say that I have immense respect for people who have had the same job for 15yrs+ and have become an invaluable part of their company's work process. Achieving this carries a lot of respect in my book. On the other hand, consider the fact, that a young person in (most) developed countries has a very tough road ahead.

      Why? Well it all starts in the education system which is simply horrible. Very few young people come out of high school knowing exactly what they're good at and what they want to do. On to college/university/w.e. (if ur lucky and got the grades earlier) where most people tend to find out they still have very little idea of what they want to do and how they want to do that. By this time they're very often 22+ yrs old, facing an existential and personal crisis, when they in fact should be starting their respective careers. They somehow pull through, get a job, realize they need a place to live or need to do some very extensive work on their home environment ergo need loads of money, which leads to loans that they obviously have to repay at a rate of 3:1 (they get 100k€, through the x amount of years they pay back a total of 300k€). What the hell kind of an outlook is that?

      Now that's the most simple equation, if u factor in unexpected/unplanned children, failure to distinguish themselves before college and failing to get there, illness, serious injury, inability/inopportunity to get a job, insert various other problems here...., how attractive or even safe is the "standard" life style anyway? And what happens when u have so many loans or a big mortgage and u lose ur job? Yeah one can argue these things can never be predicted in someone's life, but aren't there enough worrying stories out there that they should at least warrant a serious consideration of this model of life?

      That's why I decided to go for poker. I'd rather gamble with my life now for a few years then later when I might become unfit for work or who-knows-what-kind-of-disaster might strike. I chose to take my future solely into my own hands and to be completely self-reliant. That is what poker has become to me and that is why I'm more and more motivated to improve.

      It is EXTREMELY difficult to get to a point where one can live off poker alone. It will take a lot of work and a lot of effort to get to that point. I'm lucky enough to be there and still manage to see a way to improve my fortunes, I doubt I'd achieve the kind of prospects if I had dragged my ass through college and have had a job for the past two years or so. Yeah I gambled but I don't gamble anymore today. For a while now all I do is improve and give all I can to improve even more. That's why I understand what this guy was trying to say and that's why I think it's worth to consider other paths through life.
    • monkey0nfire
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      I like money :f_biggrin:
    • andreibalint
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      volunter work doesn't count as a job

      You are invaluable for your posts, sir.

      Let's make the math. In this country (funny it's in the EU) the minimum possible salary is
      very close to 200$. Let's say you work as a student. How much more can you expect to make? (after finishing uni you might have a shot to about 400-500$).

      A pizza and a beer in a nice place (in the center of the city) is around 7-8$ and a beer about 2.5$. So yeah i was wrong, you can actually eat 200/11= 18.18 pizzas+1 beer per month, which is like 0.6 pizza+beer every day.

      So conclusions: having a job beats playing poker when you live in a developed country and do something well paid, otherways it's worth the risk!

      Let's see poker: 6$ turbo sng (no rakeback) for 5% roi, 9 tabling. 20sngs/hour so 30c*20= 6$/hour. 6*6 hours/day *20 = 720$. Lol. Average salary around is about 450$.
    • strosdegoz
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      Great article, everyone who plays poker is gambling no doubt about that.

      Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Typically, the outcome of the wager is evident within a short period.
    • ihufa
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      Originally posted by andreibalint
      volunter work doesn't count as a job

      You are invaluable for your posts, sir.

      Let's make the math. In this country (funny it's in the EU) the minimum possible salary is
      very close to 200$. Let's say you work as a student. How much more can you expect to make? (after finishing uni you might have a shot to about 400-500$).

      A pizza and a beer in a nice place (in the center of the city) is around 7-8$ and a beer about 2.5$. So yeah i was wrong, you can actually eat 200/11= 18.18 pizzas+1 beer per month, which is like 0.6 pizza+beer every day.

      So conclusions: having a job beats playing poker when you live in a developed country and do something well paid, otherways it's worth the risk!

      Let's see poker: 6$ turbo sng (no rakeback) for 5% roi, 9 tabling. 20sngs/hour so 30c*20= 6$/hour. 6*6 hours/day *20 = 720$. Lol. Average salary around is about 450$.
      I respectfully disagree
    • NightFrostaSS
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      I would disagree too if i was scandi.
    • degre
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      No way. Here I'm all in with ihufa.

      Even in developed country, if you want to really learn the game you can sustain yourself, earn a basic salary and have a life where you make your own schedule.

      Of course it will take you longer, but I'll go for anything rather then being an employee. Being the master of you're own time is an invaluable thing.
    • Hahaownedlolz
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      I don't consider poker players gamblers, i just needed a catchy title. Let's make that clear. Although i mean serious poker players, not the random fish in your casino who learned the rules 10 mins ago and completely disregards bankroll management or realises he has to study and work hard to become good at poker.
      However, technically poker is still gambling. But we all know in the long run good players win.



      Although i was making fun of this guy. There's is still some truth in what he says. But i thought it was funny how he exagerates so badly, and calls working people proffesional gamblers.. I thought that was pretty funny myself.


      But being in control of your own money income is a good thing. If your serious about it and have alot of discipline. Taking a job is safer but also most of the time alot less rewarding.