defining ranges

    • antonio47211
      antonio47211
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      In all videos I hear times and times again - villains BU calling range, BB raising range, MP limp - call range etc etc. And here I feel I have a problem defining those ranges. Each time villain calls or raises I start thinking of overpairs or sets, no matter what had happened before.

      Say, villain in MP2 (FR) calls 3x bb raise by UTG. What is his possible range? What is his range if he's 20 / 11? Or 12 / 9?

      I suppose range's definitions is more of an art, not science, yet any help very appreciated. Is there some reading that might help?

      Thanks
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    • Skraggy
      Skraggy
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      Joined: 21.09.2008 Posts: 197
      I'd also like help with this please :f_frown:
    • CBFunk
      CBFunk
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      Hi Antonio,

      if you wanna get better in hand reading and defining ranges what helps the most is experience. Play many hands and your hand reading will get better :)

      I´m gonna talk to our video producers and see what I can do. Maybe they can do some videos which will focus on defining ranges and hand reading. This would be helpful too. Also our producers talk about in all videos about villains range. So most of our videos should be helpful for you too.

      Best regards,

      Clemens

      €: http://de.pokerstrategy.com/video/9174 Sim87 talks about ranges in this video but you need platinum status. Maybe this motivates you to play some more so you gain experience and can watch the movie :)
    • antonio47211
      antonio47211
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      Originally posted by Clemens
      €: http://de.pokerstrategy.com/video/9174 Sim87 talks about ranges in this video but you need platinum status. Maybe this motivates you to play some more so you gain experience and can watch the movie :)
      oh thanks. If I donated my entire BR just for rake, maybe it would generate enough SPs to reach platinum. Oh wait, no it would not. Have a loan shark handy? lol

      I think there should be a way to filter all hand history in my holdem manager to show hands where, for example there was a 3bet pf and hand went to showdown, no matter whether I folded earlier or not. Not sure how, though, too many filters in that damn hm. It looks like to succeed in poker I need to be megarich or r341 h4xx0r lol
    • CBFunk
      CBFunk
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      Originally posted by antonio47211
      Originally posted by Clemens
      €: http://de.pokerstrategy.com/video/9174 Sim87 talks about ranges in this video but you need platinum status. Maybe this motivates you to play some more so you gain experience and can watch the movie :)
      oh thanks. If I donated my entire BR just for rake, maybe it would generate enough SPs to reach platinum. Oh wait, no it would not. Have a loan shark handy? lol

      I think there should be a way to filter all hand history in my holdem manager to show hands where, for example there was a 3bet pf and hand went to showdown, no matter whether I folded earlier or not. Not sure how, though, too many filters in that damn hm. It looks like to succeed in poker I need to be megarich or r341 h4xx0r lol
      reviewing your hands using holdem manager will help you a lot. Those sites should help you how to, e.g., filtering 3bet pots:

      http://faq.holdemmanager.com/

      http://forums.holdemmanager.com/

      Have a nice weekend :)

      Clemens
    • cryoburn
      cryoburn
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      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 322
      HEM filters you should use (for example where you PFR, then villain 3B and you called):

      PFR = True
      Called Preflop 3 Bet = True
      Saw showdown = True
    • antonio47211
      antonio47211
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      Joined: 24.04.2009 Posts: 129
      ty cryoburn, this is helpful

      Still it shows only where I went to SD, not so many hands. I want to try and select all hands where somebody 3bet and it went to SD, no matter if I folded or not. This way I hope to have way more material to analyze.

      BTW is there a way to make some statistics about hands in HM? Like, calculate how many % of all hands are AAs etc, or do I have to calculate that manually?
    • gadget51
      gadget51
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      I practice hand ranges using the P.S. Equilator. For example, is villain has VPIP 12 and PFr 10, I put the PFR into equilator and it shows me a 10% range. I can then assume (until I know better :) ) if villain has limped, it will most likely be with the bottom 2% of this range. My assumptions will obviously change as experience with the player increases.
      I'm quite new to stats also so I can't profess to be any good yet.