[NL2-NL10] NL10 SH: KK, minbet+min3bet in front, 5bet from a reg behind

    • Yuris125
      Yuris125
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.03.2009 Posts: 319
      Hi,


      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $4.78
      BU (Hero):
      $20.39
      SB:
      $15.02
      BB:
      $10.00
      MP3:
      $8.00


      Preflop: Hero is BU with K, K.
      MP3 raises to $0.20, CO raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, SB raises to $2.70, 2 folds, CO raises to $4.78, Hero raises to $20.39, SB calls $12.32.

      Flop: ($40.49) 9, 3, 6 (3 players)


      Turn: ($40.49) 3 (3 players)


      River: ($40.49) J (3 players)


      Final Pot: $40.49.

      Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF/Hands/3bet):
      MP3: 82/18/5.5/17/0.0
      CO: 70/30/1.3/20/28.6
      SB: 22/19/2.3/424/11.3

      First of all, maybe 4-bet bigger?
      After the reg behind me 5-bets, should I consider folding? I'm not too worried about CO, but SB is quite solid; he saw some bluffs from me, but in this spot I don't think he's 5-betting lightly, and if he has QQ+, I have 40% at best in a 3-way pot


      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 35.599% 32.27% 03.37% 5881615 614040.67 { KK }
      Hand 1: 40.349% 36.92% 03.48% 6728556 633722.17 { QQ+ }
      Hand 2: 24.052% 22.56% 01.52% 4111194 277563.17 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }


      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 38.388% 35.34% 03.32% 3127090 293652.67 { KK }
      Hand 1: 39.463% 36.32% 03.42% 3214155 302508.50 { QQ+ }
      Hand 2: 22.149% 21.29% 01.02% 1883553 90252.83 { TT+, AJs+, AJo+ }

      What's your take on this, is this one of the cases when folding KK preflop is good?

      Thanks!
      Yuri
  • 2 replies
    • kymupa
      kymupa
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.10.2009 Posts: 22,364
      Well I guess you haven ever seen CO and MP doing that stuff. So if there were some normal oponents and i cold4bet them and SB cold5bets me im just folding it because he only has KK+ there and since we have KK there is only one more combo for KK.

      But with this here SB is probably doing the same wiht JJ/QQ, AK so it's fine going broke.
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,

      Originally posted by kymupa
      Well I guess you haven ever seen CO and MP doing that stuff. So if there were some normal oponents and i cold4bet them and SB cold5bets me im just folding it because he only has KK+ there and since we have KK there is only one more combo for KK.

      But with this here SB is probably doing the same wiht JJ/QQ, AK so it's fine going broke.
      Agreed. CO being in the pot just creates too much dead money for SB not to get involved with stuff like QQ/AK, especially since it looks like he's doing his fair share of 3-betting so he probably has some clue of what's going on when you cold4bet a min3bet from a maniac fish, specifically that you don't need KK+ to do that. And once he cold5bets and CO jams most likely with trash, there is no way I'm folding this with such a huge dead money overlay, not when there is a chance I beat both a them.

      There are situations when you might consider flatting the 6-bet instead of shoving because it might push SB off stuff like AK/QQ-JJ if he knows what he's doing, but it feels so awkward depending on what SB does after you flatted that you probably don't want to do that at microstakes.


      Hope it helps.