Is poker a game of luck !

    • Donmecon
      Donmecon
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      Joined: 21.05.2010 Posts: 38
      I have been playing no-limit hold'em for a while now and been pretty successful. My starting balance has grown about seven fold. I have just encountered my worst run where my luck was non-exsistent and we all need some luck. Every all in I would lose regardless and I have become quite annoyed. It's not because I'm losing but because the people who call my all ins shouldn't have and have got lucky.

      I am fed up of seeing bad play rewarded. My question is : Is poker skill or just plain luck. I recently read a book by Dan Harrington who said poker was like chess. He said those who make the least amount of mistakes will win a game of chess and the same applies to poker. I think thats utter rubbish. Poker is a game of luck. Poker pros aren't pros because their good it's because they have been lucky. If anyone watched Joe Cada win the WSOP then you will have seen he played badly but got lucky.

      Anyone agree with me that poker is all luck.
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    • Atoks
      Atoks
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      Originally posted by Donmecon


      Anyone agree with me that poker is all luck.
      +1 :f_cool:
    • Leito99
      Leito99
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      Joined: 27.07.2009 Posts: 754
      go play some $1050 SuperTuesday on stars or some $109 rebuys and you'll see that you will get destroyed on every attempt

      thats how i learned :D played some expensive deepstacked tourney and got decent cards but still lost badly

      but seriously i wouldnt recomend you do to do that bacause poker is not luck
    • ihufa
      ihufa
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      Joined: 18.03.2008 Posts: 3,323
      poker is up to 100% luck, noone can/will argue with that
    • supeyrio
      supeyrio
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      Joined: 11.11.2009 Posts: 3,106
      i took my bankroll of $29.11 and bought into a game. pick up the first hand 72o. i decided to go all in on the flop despite not having a pair because i wanted to test if i go all in with shitty hands, i would win. and here are the results, and glad to say i doubled my bankroll! seems like what you say is right, i can win if i do this shit all day long! i'm going to try that at nl50 now, then nl 100, and soon i'll show tom dwan what i'm capable of
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $10.00
      SB:
      $25.00
      BB:
      $40.78
      UTG2:
      $25.30
      MP1:
      $37.82
      MP2:
      $29.53
      MP3:
      $9.40
      CO (Hero):
      $29.11


      Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, 2.
      2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, 3 folds, MP2 calls $2.00.

      Flop: ($5.85) 3, Q, K (2 players)
      MP2 checks, Hero bets $4.50, MP2 raises to $12.50, Hero raises to $26.36, MP2 calls $13.86.

      Turn: ($58.57) 7 (2 players)


      River: ($58.57) 2 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $58.57.
      Results follow:

      MP2 shows a pair of aces(A A).
      Hero shows two pairs, sevens and twos(7 2).
    • Hahaownedlolz
      Hahaownedlolz
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      Joined: 24.04.2009 Posts: 1,755
      Is poker a game of luck !


      Yes luck and skill. It's a high variance game.. This guy reminds me of a fish who said "lucky" in the chat box. When he played that hand horribly. To which i responded:

      "Yes im lucky, lucky that your playing bad :D "


      Yeah i know flaming fish = bad now. But it was pretty funny to say anyway.
    • degre
      degre
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      Joined: 30.04.2009 Posts: 413
      I'm lucky that I started playing.
    • redskwerl
      redskwerl
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      Joined: 03.03.2008 Posts: 3,802
      of course it is

      you either win or you don't
    • alberts1955
      alberts1955
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      Joined: 13.04.2010 Posts: 251
      don't know how can poker be all luck, look some high stakes poker, that doesn't look like game of luck.
      in short term maybe it is luck, but in longterm i don't belive that u can be a big winner with just luck and absolute zero skill!
    • IcMean
      IcMean
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      Joined: 17.08.2009 Posts: 2,348
      Poker is a game of small edges, short term can be about luck. In long term your skill will decide.
    • SeriousThreat
      SeriousThreat
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      Joined: 20.06.2010 Posts: 79
      Almost every card game needs a luck. No exceptions. That's the way it is. Need to used to it. Nobody is 100% lucky. They (Lucky retards) will fail someday anyway. No exceptions. So.. just need to go forward and sharpen your skills, not luck.
    • taavi1337
      taavi1337
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      Joined: 29.05.2009 Posts: 2,920
      what do you mean - luck? it's all about probabilities and math
    • Alan883
      Alan883
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      Joined: 03.12.2008 Posts: 1,941
      All is just about luck.

      And i am unlucky.
    • Alan883
      Alan883
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      Joined: 03.12.2008 Posts: 1,941
      Originally posted by supeyrio
      i took my bankroll of $29.11 and bought into a game. pick up the first hand 72o. i decided to go all in on the flop despite not having a pair because i wanted to test if i go all in with shitty hands, i would win. and here are the results, and glad to say i doubled my bankroll! seems like what you say is right, i can win if i do this shit all day long! i'm going to try that at nl50 now, then nl 100, and soon i'll show tom dwan what i'm capable of
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $10.00
      SB:
      $25.00
      BB:
      $40.78
      UTG2:
      $25.30
      MP1:
      $37.82
      MP2:
      $29.53
      MP3:
      $9.40
      CO (Hero):
      $29.11


      Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, 2.
      2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, 3 folds, MP2 calls $2.00.

      Flop: ($5.85) 3, Q, K (2 players)
      MP2 checks, Hero bets $4.50, MP2 raises to $12.50, Hero raises to $26.36, MP2 calls $13.86.

      Turn: ($58.57) 7 (2 players)


      River: ($58.57) 2 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $58.57.
      Results follow:

      MP2 shows a pair of aces(A A).
      Hero shows two pairs, sevens and twos(7 2).
      nice hand mate
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 6,944
      If I give you a coin that comes up heads 51% of the time and tails 49% of the time, and you can get someone to give you $1 if it comes up heads and you give them $1 if it comes up tails, you can make money, but......here's a simulation of 10000 flips. Look familar??

    • Alan883
      Alan883
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      Joined: 03.12.2008 Posts: 1,941
      Originally posted by jbpatzer
      If I give you a coin that comes up heads 51% of the time and tails 49% of the time, and you can get someone to give you $1 if it comes up heads and you give them $1 if it comes up tails, you can make money, but......here's a simulation of 10000 flips. Look familar??


      This is running under EV:) )
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      Originally posted by Alan883
      Originally posted by jbpatzer
      If I give you a coin that comes up heads 51% of the time and tails 49% of the time, and you can get someone to give you $1 if it comes up heads and you give them $1 if it comes up tails, you can make money, but......here's a simulation of 10000 flips. Look familar??

      This is running under EV:) )
      AND without RAKE ;)

      T
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 6,944
      Well, with 10% rake, you'd need heads 56% of the time to have the same profit. Easier than poker though!
    • Kidsoldja
      Kidsoldja
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      Joined: 18.05.2010 Posts: 51
      I think Poker has elements of luck in it ie. (the cards that are dealt to you and community cards shown.) but the skill is in how well you play those hands dealt to you and how well you force your opponents to make mistakes.
    • taavi1337
      taavi1337
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      Joined: 29.05.2009 Posts: 2,920
      Originally posted by Kidsoldja
      I think Poker has elements of luck in it
      i've never thought about it... maybe you're right
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