[NL2-NL10] NL25 - 77 vs 2 with a small flop bet

    • Kknight
      Kknight
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      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed)

      BB ($9.15)
      UTG ($4.40)
      UTG+1 ($18.25)
      MP1 ($14.65)
      MP2 ($16.10)
      CO ($26.80)
      Button ($25.65)
      Hero ($5.10)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 7:spade: , 7:club: .
      [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], MP2 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises to $1.75[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], MP2 calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50.

      Flop: ($5.50) A:diamond: , 2:diamond: , 6:heart: [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, MP2 checks, [color:#CC3333]CO bets $0.5[/color], Hero calls $0.50, MP2 folds.

      Turn: ($6.50) T:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]CO bets $1.25[/color], Hero folds.

      Final Pot: $6.50

      I'm getting 12:1 on the flop and if he has an A and a 7 hits, I'll likely be able to get all my money in. Was the flop call OK?

      Thanks,
      Kknight
  • 10 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Why do you raise pre-flop 77 SB when there has been 2 limpers:) You have to play rest of the hand OOP, there will be mostly at least one overcard and you don´t mostly hit your set. I would also call turn bet because of the pot odds and hope that MP2 doesn´t re-raise.

      I would push my 77 if I have smt like 4$ left or just call. Against one limper you may try get the pot pre-flop, but if he calls, then it is coinflip or worse, because I can´t imagine player calling with rags like A6s or 68s. You never can be sure what kind of hand he called pre-flop and you have to decide if you want to push or check/fold, which isn´t always very easy decision. So don´t raise 77, if there has been limpers:D
    • Berliner1982
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      I see two options here:

      1. After two limpers complete the SB and hope to hit your set, otherwise give it up.

      2. Push it preflop since these limpers are in MP2 and in the CO and just limped you are way ahead here most of the times against them and behind you the BB only can call your All-In with at least TT+ or AK what is very unlikely. Same goes for the MP2 and CO Limpers.

      Like played you move all-in since it more looks like a FD. An Ace would not minbet and a set would bet more as well to protect against a Flushdraw.
    • Puschkin81
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      Hi Kknight!

      I would just complete the SB and hope for a set. As played I would make a continuation bet because an ace high flop with two low cards is a very good flop for a continuation bet.

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • Kknight
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      OK...so all three of you are suggesting to only complete the SB even though 77 is a Raise hand on the chart from the blinds? I'm not arguing that point, just asking how to decide that? And with which other hands? 88? 99? After 1 limper? 2 limpers?

      Thanks,
      Kknight
    • gutshotstraightdraw
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      I think the point is that you flop middle or under pair too often and get a caller too often. I think a raise after one limper is fine. But if you raise against two limpers it is more likely that you get a call and have to play middle or underpair oop in a raised pot. I think 99 is a hand which you can raise even against two limpers, but lower pp....?! I don't know. What do you guys think?
    • Berliner1982
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      Thats why I only see two option. Completing for set value or pushing for maximum fold equity. I do not like to play with 77 OOP against anybody, since they often call me anyway since they easy can flop a better hand then me.
    • Kknight
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      Originally posted by Berliner1982
      Thats why I only see two option. Completing for set value or pushing for maximum fold equity. I do not like to play with 77 OOP against anybody, since they often call me anyway since they easy can flop a better hand then me.
      Berliner,
      Do you have a preference between these two options? Or does it largely depend on reads? How about against unknowns?

      Thanks,
      Kknight
    • Berliner1982
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      It depends on reads and my own table image. If I raised a lot before I more complete here, otherwise I push. It always depends on the current situations and your opponents.

      Against two unknown I would push here.
    • Kaitz20
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      Your stack is over 20 BB. Can´t see much value pushing here with 77. I think taht against 2 opponent at least one calls every 3-rd time, if the first limper calls, then the other one also get very good pot odds, so your equity to win isn´t so big any more. And you risk 5$, to win 0,85$. Can´t see it profitable imo. If my stack were like 4$ or 3,75$, I might consider it, but mostly I find that pushing move against 2 limpers opponents is -EV in the long run.
    • Berliner1982
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      Against both limper with the following limping range we have the following equity if both players call our All-In:

      Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
      Spieler 1: 32.957 % 32.017 % 2.010 % 65.973 % 22-99, A5s-A2s, KTs+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, ATo, KTo+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o
      Spieler 2: 28.467 % 27.528 % 2.008 % 70.464 % 22-99, A8s-A6s, A3s-A2s, KJs-KTs, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, 32s, ATo-A2o, KJo-KTo, QTo+, J9o+, T9o, 98o
      Spieler 3: 38.576 % 38.216 % 0.848 % 60.935 % 7s7c

      So if both call the move to Push OOP is +EV.

      Even if only one with a tighter range calls we have an edge:

      Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
      Spieler 1: 43.091 % 42.347 % 1.489 % 56.164 % 22-99, ATs-A6s, KJs-KTs, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, ATo, KJo-KTo
      Spieler 2: 56.909 % 56.164 % 1.489 % 42.347 % 7s7c